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Last night's Panorama
Those with an already deep interest in football will have known about the problems in Poland and Ukraine but will still have been shocked by the footage.
The toothless apologists at UEFA and the football federations of the two countries were made to look perticularly inept, or even indifferent.
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They were chanting Who's not jumping is a Jew. It could be a Feyenoord match.
But, erm, Ireland-Croatia in Poznan... should be OK, no? And, I am ashamed to say that the thought crossed my mind that I am white so they'll leave me alone.
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just read load of crap from a contrarian who runs a contrarian website just complete and utter idiocy anti-rascism accoridng to O'neil equals rascism and pointing out the problems in Ukraine is just an example of zenophobia utter cunt
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It's utterly mind-blowing, this Eastern European Nazi-loving thing.
The grandparents of this utter scum did most of the fighting and dying in WWII, battled those fucking savages to a standstill and chased their heinous asses all the way back to Berlin.
The grandparents must be so proud.
Despair.
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Bryaniesta wrote:
I'm watching the bits in Ukraine now, that's even worse.
This abduction of the Celtic cross as a far-right symbol is also annoying.
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Ukraine's Euro director describes Sol Campbell's remarks as 'insolent'.
Presumably the PR team talked him down from 'uppity'.
Ostrich-like denial of the problem hardly inspires confidence that suitable plans are in place to deal with any trouble during the tournament.
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pebblethefish wrote:
Bryaniesta wrote:
I'm watching the bits in Ukraine now, that's even worse.
This abduction of the Celtic cross as a far-right symbol is also annoying.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
This bloke's lost me:
And Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleg Voloshyn said fans had nothing to fear.
"Nazi symbols can be seen at ... any match in England, but does it mean that fans should not come to London for the Olympics?," he said.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
This bloke's lost me:
And Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleg Voloshyn said fans had nothing to fear.
"Nazi symbols can be seen at ... any match in England, but does it mean that fans should not come to London for the Olympics?," he said.
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There's a good anthropology Phd thesis to be written about the use of nazi symbolism by football supporters in Europe outside the UK. Having been in Portugal for almost a decade, the shock of seeing a 90 degrees rotated SS symbol to represent Benfica's ultras has sort of died away. And just about every ultra does that nazi salute thing in every stadium outside the UK.
At Benfica, I'd estimate well over 40% of the ultras are young black kids from the suburbs, all of whom will wear the rotated SS symbol, all of whom will do countless nazi salutes during a game. For those kids, what was once a sly gesture of far right sympathy has become a way of showing dedication to a football club and nothing more. I've got no doubt the same kids may also monkey chant players, but I've never seen that happen, but could well imagine it. But I suppose they have more right to do it than most, like using the n-word - but it's deplorable any way you look at it.
The situation is obviously a lot more serious in the Ukraine. The Jewish obsession just seems ridiculous and the attack on those poor Indian students was sickening. But Ukranian society must be safe enough to convince those students to believe they could go to game in safety, unlike the UK, where many grounds are very much out of bounds for the asian community.
I don't think the UK gets anywhere with these kind of attacks on European football culture, no matter how sickening it is. Sol Campbell saying football supporters will come back in a coffin if they visit Poland or the Ukraine during Euro 2012 is offensive and goes down the road of a UK superiority complex that the rest of Europe despises.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
This bloke's lost me:
And Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleg Voloshyn said fans had nothing to fear.
"Nazi symbols can be seen at ... any match in England, but does it mean that fans should not come to London for the Olympics?," he said.
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szczeweeeeeeeee wrote:
And just about every ultra does that nazi salute thing in every stadium outside the UK.
szczeweeeeeeeee wrote:
The situation is obviously a lot more serious in the Ukraine. The Jewish obsession just seems ridiculous and the attack on those poor Indian students was sickening. But Ukranian society must be safe enough to convince those students to believe they could go to game in safety, unlike the UK, where many grounds are very much out of bounds for the asian community.
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Calvert W. McCutcheon wrote:
unlike the UK, where many grounds are very much out of bounds for the asian community.
There are grounds in the UK where Asian people get beaten up for the colour of their skin while the crowd and the stewarts turn a blind eye? If so, which ones?
And the stewards in the Panorama report didn't turn a blind eye, one very brave steward protected one of the Indian supporters. As was said at the beginning of that section, the game didn't have enough stewards to control the stands and a hideous mob mentality took over looking for the easiest victim to beat. Games without proper stewarding get out of control fast in any country in the world.
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Also, didn't Paul S post something recently about a group of asian supporters being abused a Dagenham & Redbridge game he attended?
edit, found it:
http://www.wsc.co.uk/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,73/func,view/catid,27/id,634238/
It's f*cking vile stuff from all directions and I don't want to get into a "you called him a n***** but they called him a n***** twice" kind of argument. The blatant racist symbolism used by European ultras is shocking and abhorrent, but as I said in first post, you sadly get anesthetized to it over time.
Football supporting is still very much a white dominated past-time in the whole of Europe and even though great work is done in the UK to tackle the problem, there is still a problem.
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I'm not sure about that. I took a lad I know to a Shrewsbury game and am pretty certain he was the only non-white supporter in the stadium. There was no hassle.
It's worth pointing out that some places have all-white support because that's who lives there. 1200 kids in my secondary school in Shrewsbury and only 2 were black.
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