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    Your 2nd team at Euro 2012

    What other team(s) will you be supporting this summer?

    Second for me will be Spain, would love to see them win back to back to back titles. I think they would become the first European side to win 3 in a row so I'll support Spain in their bid to make history.

    My other team will be Portugal on account of them never having won an international title at senior level, it would be great to see Ronaldo add another achievement to his CV, moreover I've always had a soft spot for Portugal.

    #2
    Your 2nd team at Euro 2012

    Ireland

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      #3
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      My bet is on Portugal to win the tournament, in a Iberian final

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        Pietro Paolo Virdis wrote:
        My bet is on Portugal to win the tournament, in a Iberian final
        I'd love it if that scenario unfolded. With the distinct possibility of a Real-Barca Champions league final the storyline would be great.

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          I'm becoming more and more fond of both Mourinho and Ronaldo. It would be great if they could make Xavi and the lot second in every competition this year.

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            Spain/Holland. One of them is my first team, including Scotland (yes, I know, do one.) And the other is third.

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              #7
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              My second team will obviously be Portugal.

              I still don't think all the pieces of the puzzle are in place for the team, but it's getting there. I'm convinced João Moutinho will finally prove to the rest of Europe what Portugal has known for about four years now. I also think they have a really good goalkeeper in Rui Patricio, he's developed leaps and bounds over the past season or so. The missing peices are who plays as holding midfielder and striker. Other than that the team pretty much picks itself and those players who are certs really are world class players. I also think the tough group should help them.

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                steveeeeeeeee wrote:
                I'm convinced João Moutinho will finally prove to the rest of Europe what Portugal has known for about four years now.
                Sorry steveeeeeeeee, but you mean that Moutinho will continue to prove that Portugal are a team of moaning, diving, bottling whingers?

                Or that they might be the team that all non-partisan football fans have been waiting for, to be as good as Spain?

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                  I think they would become the first European side to win 3 in a row so I'll support Spain in their bid to make history.
                  Yes, but with a nod towards Italy, who won the World Cups of 1934 and 1938 and the Olympics in Berlin in 1936. England (or Scotland) didn't send a team to any of those, although it's a matter of some conjecture whether they would have beaten that Italian team (or indeed the contemporary Austrians) on neutral ground anyway; in 1934 England beat Italy 3-2 at Highbury, in 1936 lost to Austria 2-1 in Vienna, in 1937 beat the Czechs 5-4 at White Hart Lane, in 1938 lost to the Swiss in Zurich, and in 1939 drew with Italy in Milan.

                  Had there been a "Euro '36" I think it's a leap of faith to suggest England or Scotland would have prevented Italy winning it.

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                    #10
                    Your 2nd team at Euro 2012

                    1 Germany
                    2 Greece
                    3 Denmark
                    4 Poland
                    5 Ukraine
                    6 Czechia
                    7 Portugal
                    8 Russia
                    9 Sweden
                    10 Italy
                    11 Netherlands
                    12 France
                    13 Spain
                    14 Croatia
                    15 England
                    16 FOBROYI

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                      heh, i love the way that in a thread about your second team at euro 2012, you wrote out all 16 teams just so you could put ireland last. ooh, let me taste your cold northern tears.

                      my sympathies tend to fluctuate depending on what happens in the tournament. realistically, my second team will be whoever is playing spain. i know i should want the best team to win but something perverse in my character always wants to see the best team beaten. the fact that the best team often loses is one of the great attractions of football, and spain's mastery in the last couple of tournaments, especially during the run of 1-0s to win the world cup, has come close to stifling that sense of unpredictability.

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                        What with Croatia so low on so many lists here on OTF?
                        I'm curious to what the reason is.

                        I don't mind, and won't start to defend them whatever the reason might be.

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                          garcia wrote:
                          heh, i love the way that in a thread about your second team at euro 2012, you wrote out all 16 teams just so you could put ireland last. ooh, let me taste your cold northern tears
                          Be fair Garse, it's the first chance I've had in 10 years.

                          Pietro Paolo Virdis wrote:
                          What with Croatia so low on so many lists here on OTF? I'm curious to what the reason is
                          Probably irrational in my case. We've never actually played them in a full international, but the Zagreb Blue Boys were proper naughty during their visit to Linfield in the August prelims a few years ago. You know, wrecking pubs, swastika-shaped crocodile in the stands etc. They even smashed up the crappy coffeefranchise at Glentoran Airport.

                          When the Plues arrived for the second leg, the travelling fans got a Police escort for the entire two days they were there.

                          PS I'm expecting a chiding from Herr Altermann on behalf of the ABG/AGB, but imperial grand wizard Mitt Romney appeared in my dream the other day and said put ten bucks on Yogi's boys.

                          Current odds from William Hill:

                          9/4 Spain
                          3/1 Germany
                          7/1 Netherlands
                          8/1 England

                          14/1 Italy, France
                          20/1 Portugal, Russia
                          40/1 Ukraine
                          50/1 Croatia, Poland, Czechia
                          66/1 Sweden, Greece
                          80/1 Gomorrah
                          100/1 Denmark

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                            #14
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                            Yes, I've met some of those Croatian travelling fans. In my case it was a dozen from Varazdin, here in Gothenburg. Fucking moronic nutcases the lot. The kind that steal your wallet as soon as they can, especially from other Croatian fans, as a lot are naive in thinking they'd never do that to you just because you're wearing a scarf with the same colours. The Bad Blue Boys are among the worst fans in Europe, unfortunately some otherwise sensible fellow countrymen mention their name and "adventures" with a weird sort of pride in their voice.

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                              #15
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                              I don't have a dog in this race but I have a soft spot for Czech Rep. I'll follow with a neutral's interest the fortunes of Spain, Germany, Netherlands and England. May the luckiest team win.

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                                Assuming this is nothing to do with who might win, but just "soft spots", I have two:

                                The Netherlands - I work, and have worked, with many Dutch people or those of Dutch heritage and they seem almost 100% lovely folk, who speak better English than most English, with a very pleasant and unique accent. The interviewer at the start of Ash's Jack Names the Planets is a lovely example. Someone will tell me they were Belgian now, you watch.

                                And secondly, I can be fairly confident in being alone in this - Greece. My closest mate at work is an absolute sport-obsessive Greek Australian and will support Greece in anything and everything unless Australia are involved. It's impossible for this not to rub off, despite the fact he was almost unbearable for about 6 months in 2004.

                                Jack Names the Planets

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                                  #17
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                                  England.

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                                    My usual subjects are missing - Yugoslavia don't exist anymore (I've tried with Croatia, it's not the same) and Belgium are still avoiding qualification for these things, so I supposed the nearest half decent 2nd tier nation who are likeable enough are probably the Czechs. Not interested in the big hitters or the makeweights.

                                    This is for my 1st team btw, we've never qualified for the bugger.

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                                      #19
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                                      Looking at Duncan's list, I could probably renege on that and list any one of Sweden, Denmark, Russia and the hosts, but I dunno...I'm not feeling it.

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                                        #20
                                        Your 2nd team at Euro 2012

                                        I think my second team will be England. But then it has to be really given that my first team is Anybody But England.

                                        But to be serious I'd probably say Portugal and Germany as I spent time in both countries when they were host in 04 and 06 and I had a great time.

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                                          #21
                                          Your 2nd team at Euro 2012

                                          My second team? England.

                                          Valentino, you may have unrealistic expectations of this Czech team. They aren't a patch on the side of a decade ago. If there are makeweights in this tournament, then they are one of those...

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                                            Holland for the simple reason it'll piss off the smug Germans who always take the piss out of me for following England.

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                                              Any of our fellow PIIGS, except for Spain. Another Greek victory would be especially hilarious. That would give them twice as many major championships as England or Holland.

                                              I really don't understand what Denmark did to have the longest odds of all the teams. They won their group. Even Sweden is ranked above them, and Denmark recently battered Sweden in a friendly.

                                              100/1 for Denmark? I'm gonna have to have a go on that.

                                              edit: Or maybe the bookies are rotating random outsider teams to 100/1 to attract bets? Is this a common practise?

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                                                Your 2nd team at Euro 2012

                                                I'm struggling to think of any team I'd like to excel out of the other 15 participants, maybe Poland if I had to choose.
                                                Much easier would be the teams I want to dismally fail:

                                                Spain - I am bored to death with everyone talking up Spain as some sort of benchmark for aesthetically pleasing football. Just for once, fucking hoof it, you bastards.

                                                Portugal - There is nothing more pleasing than seeing the disappointment splashed across the face of the preening oiled up diving body-waxed poser.

                                                Greece - Word's cannot convey how much I hate the Greek football team. They are without doubt (and of course without Switzerland's qualification) the most boring fucking pile of shite since the works of Dan Brown were made into a talking book set by Leonard Cohen. Every tournament gives them the easiest qualifying group which allows the tedious fuckbags the opportunity to maintain their qualifying record, and as a result their FIFA ranking, thus allowing them once again, when the next qualifying draw comes around, to be one of the top seeds and thus earn another easy qualifying group containing Moldova, Liechtenstein, Hucknall Town and Jossy's Giants. Once qualified, of course, they stink out the fucking tournament every bastard time.

                                                Sweden - Their tactics make England look like they play total football.

                                                Ireland - The world, including this forum, in fact especially this forum, would be an unbearable place to be if the Irish won this, or any other tournament.

                                                France - Just because.

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                                                  Sean of the Shed wrote:
                                                  Greece - Once qualified, of course, they stink out the fucking tournament every bastard time.
                                                  Even whilst winning it...

                                                  Recent Spain-Germany games have me creating mental pictures of a boa constrictor slowly crushing the breath out of a puppy. I can see why people wouldn't enjoy that. But I find a certain elegance and bleak high artistry to such a process.

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