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  • Tubby Isaacs
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    Johnr's 2018 racing thread

    One for those of us who dip in and out of racing.

    The Lincoln is about to start. That's a proper race, for sure. Anybody else watching?

  • Guy Profumo
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    And guess who had the winner of the Ebor.

    Ker-ching.

    I thang yew.

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  • jwdd27
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    Shit. Only yesterday there was a Twitter update saying Roaring Lion was getting better, back on his food etc.

    And Espoir d'Allen too... saw him (easily) win the Champion Hurdle in person back in March, only 5 years old too so would possibly have had 5, 6 more seasons at the top.

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  • George
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    Battaash breaking Dayjur's 29-year-old track record in the Nunthorpe was over shadowed by news later in the afternoon that both Roaring Lion and this year's Champion Hurdler Espoir D'Allen have been PTS, due to Colic and a training related injury respectively. A hard game at times.
    Last edited by George; 23-08-2019, 23:03.

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  • George
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    Moore has (rightly) been given a two day ban for excessive - and has it turned out unnecessary - use of the whip on Mum's Tipple in the last furlong of that race. If the silly bastard had bothered to look around he might have noticed the rest of the field ''falling out the back of the telly''. Thought I was watching Kirby or Morris for a moment.

    Enable was all business in The Yorkshire Oaks, and her winning margin of almost three lengths was far more comfortable than the previous two meetings with Magical. Fingers crossed it all bodes well for that third Arc.

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  • jwdd27
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    A very, very impressive 11 length victory by Mum's Tipple to win what should have been the usual 21 runner 6f sales lottery. It will be interesting what they put it in as a 3-y-o, I'll be backing it.

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  • George
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    <Puts Mum's Tipple in tracker>

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  • George
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    Poor old Crystal Ocean, that's five times now he's been runner up in G1 races - and the last two occasions have been all out battles settled only be the judge. It's likely so much hard racing has begun to take it's toll on the admirable 5yo, although Ballydoyle's usual tactical shenanigans with pacemakers certainly didn't help. I wouldn't be upset if Stoute decides against racing him in the Arc (Breeders Cup Turf a possibility in November). Japan's victory makes this years crop of 3yo middle distance colts look slightly less rotten now as well.

    Enable will be the centre of attention tomorrow in what should ostensibly be a match race with Magical in The Yorkshire Oaks. A miserly field of four has been declared for what will be the mare's penultimate race, and her last domestically before she heads over to Paris in early October.
    Last edited by George; 21-08-2019, 20:33.

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  • George
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    Lord knows what it is with 'Glorious' Goodwood and shit weather, but high winds and pissing it down appears to be a recurring theme for a meeting that supposedly takes place in high summer.

    https://twitter.com/itvracing/status/1156197359061217282[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR]

    The performance of the opening day was by Godolphin's Pinatubo, who followed up victories at Royal Ascot and Epsom by storming 5L clear to win The Vintage Stakes. Almost certainly the best 2yo seen so far this season (at least on this side of The Irish Sea) he's as low as 5/2 in the ante-post markets for next year's 2000 Guineas. An insulting price and further proof if needed that bookmaking has gone to shit completely. I would however be tempted to take a similar price on him picking up an injury at some point and missing that race altogether, as the trainer Charlie Appleby seems to have issues keeping top prospects sound (will we ever see Quorto again?).

    Pinatubo is another high class son of Shamardal, who alongside Sheikh Mo's beloved Dubawi is the best stallion Darley/Godolphin have. He's also a completely private one, only covering mare's belonging to the organisation and no outside one's. That's highly unusual and suggests some physical frailties (rumoured to be dodgy legs) that will limit his time as a stallion. The boys in blue understandably want to make hay while they can.

    Sticking with the bloodstock angle the Japanese superstar Deep Impact had to be PTS yesterday due to a cervical fracture at the age of 17. One of the world's top sire's he was essentially Japan's equivalent of Galileo, and Coolmore themselves had starting sending some of their highest profile mares to him in recent years in an attempt to create a viable outcross to the increasingly narrow pedigrees on offer in much of Europe. An issue ''The Lads'' are heavily to blame for, but that's another tedious discussion altogether.
    Last edited by George; 30-07-2019, 20:49.

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  • George
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    FFS Sea of Class in the last few days and now Roaring Lion, although his prognosis seems a little more promising than the filly's ever was. It's a menace that colic - if only horses could throw up.


    https://twitter.com/rpbloodstock/status/1155279826892263426

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  • George
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    The current hero of the fibresand, and well on course to take his place alongside the greats such as La Estrella and Stand Guard on retirement.

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  • jwdd27
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    I'm more of a Custard the Dragon man myself.

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  • George
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    Two words when together that warm the heart - ''Southwell abandoned''*

    * Except for when the mighty General Tufto is racing there.

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  • jwdd27
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    Southwell abandoned after 5 races (probably should have been earlier), but the flat meetings are going ahead as scheduled.

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  • Paul S
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    All greyhound racing has been called off tomorrow due to the heat and Southwell has been brought forward to an 11.30am start with a last race at 2.30pm. I would be looking at abandoning all racing tomorrow given the heat.

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  • George
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    Originally posted by George View Post
    After the highs of Enable's triumph at Sandown yesterday in the Eclipse, this morning we have the low of discovering Sea Of Class is fighting for her life due to colic complications.
    Sadly she lost that fight earlier today.

    https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-after-illness


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  • George
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    A quick word about yesterday's Irish Oaks which was won by the Anthony Oppenheimer owned/bred filly Star Catcher.



    One noticeable change in Flat racing in recent decades has been the decline of the traditional owner/breeder. Usually toffs with a few social climbing financiers/industrialists thrown in, they've either died off (with insufficient interest from their offspring to keep it going) or decided to throw in the towel in the face of Gulf Arab/Coolmore power.

    Oppenheimer's modest stud farm (it says something about this sport when a scion of that family is seen as ''the underdog'') bucks this trend, and after being in the game for decades they've had in recent years their greatest successes with horses like Golden Horn, Cracksman and now this Classic winning filly. Many of the horses can be traced back to a broodmare named Lora, purchased in the 1970's and who is the foundation mare of much of the operation. It's what the gilet-wearing bloodstock people in the game call ''cultivating a family''.

    They have another nice horse in Dame Malliot, who won a listed race at Newmarket earlier in the day and should be an interesting proposition going up into group racing.



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  • George
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    It was ever thus, but punting on the advice of tipsters who could never make it pay in reality is the quickest way to the poor house. With odds that short and in a 24 horse field, 5f sprint (glorified cavalry charge), it would have to been the second coming of Dayjur.

    Anyway, the winner's backstory is a nice one. Purchased for 3000 and owned by the trainer's family it's ended up taking home almost 123,000 (and whatever the Millman's had lumped on it).
    Last edited by George; 21-07-2019, 17:34.

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  • Guy Profumo
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    "Ventura Rebel can't be beaten."


    4th @ 5/4


    Bookmakers celebrate.


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  • George
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    Charlie has a 2yo filly out in a Newbury Maiden later today named after the mythically brilliant and ill-fated hurdler Golden Cygnet. The nerve of the man.

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  • George
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    After the highs of Enable's triumph at Sandown yesterday in the Eclipse, this morning we have the low of discovering Sea Of Class is fighting for her life due to colic complications.
    Last edited by George; 07-07-2019, 20:39.

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  • jwdd27
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    He certainly loved the sport and knew his stuff, and prior to his TV career he was a proper (award-winning) journalist.
    It's odd that he was around my age (47) and younger when he was on Channel 4 in the 1980s, he seemed to be in his mid 50s for most of his career.

    I'd like to join all those people saying "he was a lovely, kind and generous guy really, his TV persona is all an act", but I can't - I came across him a couple of times well away from cameras and he acted the royal prick both times.

    Still, RIP.

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  • Paul S
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    John McCirirck had died. Whilst he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, there was a time when you could stop almost anyone in the high street and ask them the name of someone associated with horse racing and John McCririck would have been the name most mentioned. A real character who loved his racing, it's a shame the later years of his TV career over-shadowed his days in the 1980's and 1990's when he was racing royalty.

    Legendary racing pundit John McCririck, who for many years was the face of British horse racing, dies at a London hospital aged 79.
    Last edited by Paul S; 05-07-2019, 10:53.

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  • George
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    Yes, he's one of a number of retained riders they have at Ballydoyle, and pretty much bottom of the pecking order. Above him you have Wayne Lordan and Seamie Heffernan (who to me seem about level in importance to the mothership), then O'Brien's 20-year-old son Donnacha, who is actually rather good despite the understandable accusations of nepotism. At the top of the tree is the English rider Ryan Moore, who is generally regarded as one of the best jockey's in the world. All of them bar Moore will be out as work riders on the Ballydoyle gallops most morning as well.

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  • Sporting
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    Is he what I understand used to be called a "retainer"? Excuse my probable ignorance.

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