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  • Anton Gramscescu
    started a topic How about a sumo thread?

    How about a sumo thread?

    I have become obsessed with Sumo. Actually, my daughter became obsessed with it (don't ask) and I've been naturally trying to keep up and enjoying every minute of it.

    The Tokyo fall basho is on right now. Each basho - there's six each year, one every two months - is 15 days long with everyone having one fight per day. Day 8 is on right now. You can watch a 15-minute daily highlight package by Kintamayama (in japanese with subtitles) on YouTube which is up more or less as soon as the day ends in Japan. An English language version - about 23 minutes long - from NHK (look for Robert Mensing's feed on youtube) is up with about a 12-hour delay. So it's easy to follow in real time.

    I'm a couple of days behind right now (catching up while waiting for LA/TFC to start) but this is a very weird tournament. 3 of the 4 Yokozunas (the top rank) withdrew before it started, Most of the remaining top ranks - (Yokozuna/Ozeki/Komosubi/Sekiwake) have been having absolutely 'mares, except for one Ozeki named Goeidu who is winning mostly through constant unsportsmanlike conduct.

    It is a brilliant sport. Fast, violent and totally zen. No displays of emotion allowed whatsoever. And constant promotion/relegation both within and across ranks. Super-hierarchical.

    Go ahead, ask me anything. Or better yet, watch a few days' worth of highlights. It's great fun.

  • Wouter D
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    Lots to enjoy on that final day. How Endo managed to stay in that fight with Kotoshogiku was unreal. Abi's henka did the trick for him, and the Yokozuna fight made for a fitting finale.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Kakuryu 14-1, Hakuho & Terutsuyoshi 12-3, and that's all she wrote.

    Based on today's results some small adjustments to the projected banzuke:

    Y - Kakuryu, Hakuho
    O - Takayasu, Goeido, Tochinoshin
    S - Takakeisho, Mitakaeumi
    K - Abi*, Hokutofuji
    M1 - Endo, Aoiyama
    M2 - Tomokaze, Daieisho
    M3 = Ichinojo, Asanoyama
    M4 - Tamawashi Shodai
    M5 - Shimanoumi, Chiyotaryu,
    M6 - Kotoshogiku,Terustsuyoshi
    Last edited by Anton Gramscescu; 21-07-2019, 23:56.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    In theory Hakuho can win by beating Kakuryu twice tomorrow, but I really doubt that's going to happen.
    The banzuke gods are extremely mean in making Terutsuyoshi and Tomokaze together; I mean, I sort of understand why, because they only want one jun-yusho winner (both currently 11-3) if Hakuho wins the first match tomorrow. But still, mean.
    Abi v. Kotoshogiku in the useless magic white arrows match tomorrow. Hope Abi wins and gets to stay at Komusubi - he's had a good basho. A loss would knock him back down to Maegashira.
    The other really important fight tomorrow is Aoiyama (M2 7-7) v. Daiesho (M3 8-6) - winner will likely join Endo at M1 spot for Aki.

    As of right now, the banzuke for Aki looks something like this:

    Y - Kakuryu, Hakuho
    O - Takayasu, Goeido, Tochinoshin
    S - Takakeisho, Mitakaeumi
    K - Abi*, Hokutofuji
    M1 - Daieisho, Endo
    M2 - Tomokaze, Aoiyama
    M3 = Ichinojo, Asanoyama
    M4 - Shimanoumi, Shodai
    M5 - Kotoshogiku, Tamawashi
    M6 - Ryuden, Chiyotaryu

    (Not sure how they will evaluate Tomokaze, tbh - if he loses this is probably right, if he wins...Does he take the second K spot? easier to do if Abi loses I suppose) Anyways, a lot of fluidity still in the M4 through K spots depending on what happens tomorrow.

    Last edited by Anton Gramscescu; 20-07-2019, 19:13.

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  • Wouter D
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    He also holds a career unbeaten record against Kakuryu.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Tomokaze has never been machi-koshi, in his entire career. Not even Hakuho can say that.

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  • Wouter D
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    Day 13 highlights here.

    A perfectly executed hatakikomi was the story of the day.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Just to get a sense of how big the decimation of the banzuke has been this time out with 4 ozeki missing: the yokozunas are both fighting M7s tomorrow and i don't know how far back I would have to go to find the last time that happened. Again, it's all going to come down to the final match between the two yoks.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    That was kind of a boring day of sumo. Seems like we're now just marking time, waiting for Sunday's mongol-fest.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Kaisei and Takayasu both now confirmed kyujo. Not sure how many are going to be left by the end....

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    That K-E bout may have been the non-Enho highlight of the basho.

    What's interesting this basho is how the top end of the maegashira are holding up - the top 4 doing much better than usual is my take. Hokutofuji is 7-3, Endo is 5-5 and Aoiyama and Asanoyama are 4-6 - all of them i think with their toughest matches behind them. And if it's true Abi is blocked at Komusubi, that means there is only one san'yaku spot (the suddenly-hapless Tamawashi's) up for grabs. which means some of these guys are going to be disappointed when it comes to promotions. I wonder if there's a possibility the banzuke gods make one of those exceedingly rare exceptions and allow a third Sekiwake to unjam things a bit?

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  • Wouter D
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    Tamawashi went flying again. Ichinojo came agonizingly close to a second kinboshi, but couldn't make it count.

    Meisei chose the obvious strategy of attacking Takayasu's injured arm side, but Takayasu saw it coming. That cheeky wink after the bout was gold.

    Kotoshogiku and Endo served up something special today.

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  • ursus arctos
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    He has been a sekitori for this entire century, making his professional debut in 1997.

    12 special prizes and 8 kinboshi

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Aminishiki, the oldest sekitori (aged 40), has retired. Knees finally gave out.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Takayasu got his 8th today, and I agree with Wouter, he'll probably sit the rest out.

    You can already see one big injustice in the September banzuke coming. Abi is looking very much like he'll get his K, which *should* mean a promotion to Sekiwake, because Tamawashi is getting a demotion. BUT that spot is going to be taken by Takakeisho moving down from Ozeki, so it means Abi will probably have to stay at East Komusubi despite a (likely) winning record (and with two others kadoban, there's a reasonable chance that scenario will replay itself in September as well)

    Kaisei is heading way back down into juryo. Meanwhile Terutsyoshi is safe, and Enho is one win away from promotion. In this basho it's little guys > big guys

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  • Wouter D
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    Day 9 highlights here.

    Kaisei looks terrible. I do not envy the spectators on the side of the ring where Tamawashi came cannonballing out of the ring. Takayasu looks like he picked up a bad injury in the last round; I think he will keep trying to drag that eighth win over the line, and then sit out the rest of the tournament. All other ozeki will either be demoted or kadoban at the next tournament.

    Never before have I seen Hakuho so comprehesively contained and delivered out of the ring. Well-deserved kinboshi, that. AG was right: this is Kakuryu's tournament to lose.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Think I would put money on Kakuryu at this point. Also, it is freaking hilarious how easily Enho gets beat by someone closer to his own size.
    Last edited by Anton Gramscescu; 10-07-2019, 10:21.

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  • Wouter D
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    Day 4 highlights are up.

    Lots of great face-based sumo on display again. Aoiyama had a narrow escape, dancing on the edge of the ring. Chiyomaru and Yago made their bout last for what felt like an eternity.

    Four wrestlers on 4-0: Hakuho, Kakuryu, Tomokaze, and Terutsuyoshi.

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  • Wouter D
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    Takagenji in his first, Enho in his second, and Tomokaze in his third makuuchi tournament are all on 3-0. Tomokaze got his third with a to-be-patented face slap force out.

    Aoiyama seemed to have completely missed the tachiai.

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Enho 3-0 and all is right with the world.

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  • ursus arctos
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    Speaking of Enho, I highly recommend this Chris Gould video, in which he translates a long interview that Enho did with Mainoumi, who was to the 90s what Enho is to today (and has long been a commentator for NHK). It includes a number of clips of Mainoumi's "unconventional" tachi-ai, including clapping his hands, backing up and leaping over his opponent.

    There is supposed to be a Part Two, which I will post when it goes up on YouTube.

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  • Wouter D
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    Enho just looks like he has at least three plans for every opponent, and he makes the opponent look as if they have no plan for him.

    Ryuden-Takayasu was an epic match. Word of Day 2, however, was Amiuchi:

    "A throw with both arms pulling on the opponent's arm, causing the opponent to fall over forward (the fisherman's throw). It is so named because it resembles the traditional Japanese technique for casting fishing nets."

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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    Sad. And Yoshikaze is kyujo too which may mean that's the last we'll see of him in the top division

    Have only watched bits of the first two days, but: absolutely loved Enho taking out Kaisei, Aioyama looking good in his two wins against strong opponents, Abi actually put a hand on Hakuho's belt (!) but is still plagued by the whole feet-way-too-far-behind-the-body thing, Tochinoshin is looking terrible, and Hakuho throwing a clearly still in-form Asanoyama makes me think he really could go on for another couple of years. Amazing

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  • ursus arctos
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  • Anton Gramscescu
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    I think for appearances' sake, he will show up. And maybe the schedulers will go easy on him the first couple of days. But probably not the end of the world if he loses Ozeki status this time. Can regain it the way Tochinoshin did in May and even if not, he's still young, loads of time to pop back up.

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