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    Porte's Month? Tour de France 2017

    The 104th Tour de France starts in Dusseldorf on July 1st. It’s an unusual route this year, both in terms of the direction of travel and the composition of the stages.



    There’s only three summit finishes, the Planche des Belles Filles in the first week, Peyragudes in the Pyrenees and the Col d’Izoard in the Alps. The organisers have set a challenge to climbers to find other ways of breaking the race apart, there’s three stages where the final climb is followed by a descent to the finish in the valley - in recent editions these types of stages have tended to produce gaps as groups form and split on the downhill rather than everyone looking at each other. There’s also an interesting 100k stage on Bastille Day which crams in three first category climbs. Two time trials, one on the first day in Dusseldorf, the other on the penultimate day in Marseille where the start and finish are in the Stade Velodrome.

    The main theme of the contest is that of Master v Apprentice. The master is Chris Froome, winner in 2013, 2015 and 2016. His win last year was his most dominant yet, and his Sky team are stupidly strong, support could include some of Mikel Landa, Sergio Henao, Michal Kwiatkowski and Geraint Thomas, any of whom could be leaders on other teams. We also know from past performance that the team will sacrifice all other prizes and achievements in return for the overall win. The big fly in the ointment is his form this year - he hasn’t won a race at all, and in the recent Criterium du Dauphine (effectively the dress rehearsal) he had some days where he looked near his best, and others where he was well off it. He’s said he wants to peak later this year, but reading between the lines he isn’t where he wants to be.

    Apprentice is Richie Porte, who was by Froome’s side for his first two wins. He went his own way to lead the BMC team last year and has firmly established himself as a serious contender. People on here (um, me) have called him names for a long time, but he’s got a new purpose and confidence this year, he’s been talking a good game all winter and has shown strong form this season. There seems to be a new found resilience to his performances, instead of collapsing mentally from a duff day he recovers and has taken some good wins as a result. He was the strongest in the Dauphine but lost the race on a bonkers last day, he got isolated from his team which is the big weakness, they have neither the strength in depth nor the cohesiveness to match Sky.

    The route was designed to benefit the home favourite Romain Bardet, who was runner up last year and is a fine descender. His form this season has been a bit sketchy, though he was apparently due to put in more high intensity work before this race. He does seem capable with coping with the enormous expectations that fall on any half decent French rider, which many have struggled with. There hasn’t been a home win since 1985, he’s got a chance.

    Nairo Quintana has been runner up to Froome twice and was third last year. He made a big thing of trying to do the Giro d’Italia / Tour double this year, which fell apart when he was runner up at the Giro after his increasingly familiar tactic of waiting too much on the summit finishes. His Movistar team are renowned for incomprehensible tactics which will no doubt crop up again. Alejandro Valverde has had a fine season and will back up Quintana when (and only when) he loses time himself.

    There’s about eight sprint stages for the fast men. Mark Cavendish will be attempting to chip away at the all time stage win record, but it’s not clear if he’ll start. He didn’t race from March to June because of mononucleosis, which is something with no definable recovery period. He’s been doing the Tour of Slovenia this week in an attempt to prove some fitness, he got round which at least keeps him in the mix to take the start. World Champion Peter Sagan will likely win the green jersey again through a combination of his speed, ability to contest hillier finishes and willingness to go in the break to pick up intermediate sprint points. Sagan is quite a character and made some truly splendid adverts for his sponsors.

    For the first time ever all the stages are being televised live in their entirety. On the face of it this is great, in practice it means there will be a load of dead hours where nothing much is happening. There’s a day where ITV are starting their coverage at 9.45am!

    #2
    If it's as open as it appears we could have a race that rivals the Giro.

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      #3
      Great stuff longeared, thanks. It feels like a lot of teams are keeping their cards close to their chests this summer in terms of the whole rosters, though there are some provisionals here.

      Feels weird seeing Quintana as a relatively distant third favourite. But as you say, he was not the strongest guy at the Giro, and didn't offer much in the way of tactical or attacking racing. And his descending is sketchier than Froome's or Bardet's.

      Looking at Porte, Rohan Dennis, one of BMC's top riders, doesn't expect to do the Tour this year, and that's a big loss for Porte. Stefan Kung will fill the role of powerhouse. Damiano Caruso is probably the second best hope for GC in the team, with Nico Roche also helping out on the climbs. However since his puncture on stage 2 of last year's TdF, Porte has probably been the best GC rider around: his recovery to fifth place in the Tour was hugely creditable - though it's easier to gain time back when you're a fair way down the list. The four week-long races he has done this year have all been at World Tour level, and the fact he's been picking up stage wins in them speaks potentially of a change in confidence: Porte has never won a Grand Tour stage (for comparison, Bardet has 2, Quintana and Aru each have 5, while Froome has 10) and he surely needs to be the first man over the line at least once.

      Yeah, Fabio Aru. Can't really mention him without also mentioning Jakob Fuglsang, his Astana team mate. That's a strong pair. Fuglsang is thought to be moving on for 2018, I suppose to get his own shot at a Grand Tour. But he just won the Dauphiné, working with Aru on some interesting double punch attacks. Fuglsang was the best climber in the race. Whether this means Aru was saving himself a bit to lead in the Tour, time will tell. If they are both within touching distance of the lead in the final week, they could make life really uncomfortable for some other competitors. Realistically I think we class Aru as a contender, and Fuglsang as one to keep an eye on.

      Now at Trek-Segafredo, Alberto Contador had a weak Dauphiné, but that one asidehis GC results this year have been good, with four second places. He was also fourth in last year's Vuelta, a respectable result but behind Chaves, Froome and Quintana. The lack of ITT kilometres won't help Contador, who can put time into the likes of Aru, Bardet and Quintana on the chrono stages, and there are more genuine contenders at the Tour than the Vuelta. However if Bauke Mollema is coming, who rode the Giro and finished in 7th, that adds a bit more power to the team.

      Like Quintana, FDJ's leader Thibault Pinot is apparently going to contend for the GC in the Tour, having tried to win the Giro. He appeared to be the strongest climber by the end of the Giro, but we'll have to see how that plays out at the Tour in terms of maintaining his form. Pinot has improved as a descender and time triallist, but fluffed his lines badly in the final ITT stage of the Giro.

      Orica-Scott appear to be sending Chaves, Simon Yates and Kreuziger. Kreuziger, once Contador's right hand man, has been on domestique duties this year. Chaves and Yates rode last year's Vuelta together and came 3rd and 6th, so clearly carry a strong double threat (as with Movistar and Astana). Chaves has struggled with injuries over the year, while Yates has been patchy: good in Romandie, not so good in the Dauphiné.

      Quick-Step's GC hopes rest on Dan Martin, and they are good shoulders to rest on. However the team always looks for stage wins, and will try to deliver good lead outs for Marcel Kittel in the sprints. Martin managed to finish 9th last year without much support and will be looking to place at least as high again, but with a lot of teams 'doubling up' with GC riders, that won't be an easy task at all.

      Lotto NL Jumbo have Robert Gesink, who has had more success at Grand Tours than Richie Porte (5 times top ten, one stage win) but never gets talked about as a possible winner. The team can also boast some of the finest time trial power in the peloton with Roglic and Van Emden both superb against the clock. Roglic is one to keep an eye on, even if this particular course is not best suited to his talents.

      Sunweb will probably try to tell us that Warren Barguil is their man for the GC, but we won't believe them. He'd be the backup plan in most other World Tour teams, but this team has a small budget. Stage wins from Michael Matthews would be the priority here I think.

      UAE Team Emirates have the improving Louis Meintjes in their squad, and Darwin Atapuma as his number two. This is another strong pairing, both are solid top 20 riders, with Meintjes likely aiming higher than that.

      Bora-Hansgrohe are giving nothing away with that long list. The star is of course Peter Sagan, the green machine, the world champion and the man in whose honour we named the 2017 cycling thread. But in Leo König and Rafał Majka they have as good a double threat on GC as any other team. König was badly underused by Sky so it is good to see him return to his former team, who have now themselves moved up to the top table of pro cycling. Peter Sagan doesn't need much in the way of support so the two GC guys should be supported where necessary. Young Emmanuel Buchmann is a strong climbing talent: if he is in the final squad then there could be some fireworks from Bora.

      Cannondale-Drapac are sending their best two GC guys, Talansky and Uran. Talansky beat Majka to the top of Mount Baldy in the Tour of California, and that was a huge result in the context of Cannondale's season. Neither he nor Uran had made much of a mark on the top level recently and this Tour could be a chance for them to get back on the map.

      So in GC terms, there seems to be a theme this year of the top teams sending two strong contenders. We don't know whether Sky will go with Poels, Henao or even Thomas as the second protected rider but whichever one it is, it will be whoever is in the best form.

      This will open up, potentially, some fascinating tactical options. And it might make things even more difficult for Bardet, Pinot and Martin who are in teams where there isn't an obvious second option.

      I wonder, does it matter how often the two riders have ridden together this year? Caruso is very capable but he and Porte have been riding different races, for example. Mollema and Contador are both used to being leaders - so will they work together, or be a bit more like Valverde and Quintana.

      In terms of successful double acts, Froome and Poels is a tried and tested pairing. So is Chaves and Yates. But neither pairing has hit the heights yet this year. Probably the most-in-form-pair-who-have-raced-together-a-bit-recently is Aru and Fuglsang, if that counts for anything.

      And we haven't even contemplated the renewal of the Sagan/Gilbert/Van Avermaet contests yet...

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        #4
        Hurray - a confirmed team line up at last:

        Bora - Hansgrohe; Maciej Bodnar (Pol), Emanuel Buchmann (Ger), Marcus Burghardt (Ger), Rafal Majka (Pol), Jay McCarthy (Aus), Pawel Poljanski (Pol), Peter Sagan (Svk), Juraj Sagan (Svk) and Rüdiger Selig (Ger).

        Peter Sagan is their star rider, he's won the green jersey four years in a row and should do so again this. Rafal Majka is the GC rider, twice King of the Mountains in recent years, stage winner in the mountains, Vuelta podium in 2015, ridiculously long odds at the bookies as noted before. Buchmann claimed the best young rider jersey at the Dauphine ahead of some more illustrious names, he quietly finished 21st in this race last year and is one to keep an eye on.

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          #5
          I'm becoming concerned that heat will be a significant negative factor this year.

          Yesterday was the hottest day ever in France in June.

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            #6
            This particular heatwave appears to be dropping off after tomorrow and the long range forecast for next week in France suggests a more normal range of temperatures.

            Katusha -Alpecin: Tony Martin, Alexander Kristoff, Marco Haller, Rene Hollenstein, Robert Kiserlovski, Maurits Lammertink, Tiago Machado, Nils Politt, Rick Zabel.

            Martin is the reigning world time trial champion and will be favourite to win in Dusseldorf, though he hasn't won a World Tour TT since May 2015. Kristoff is a sprinter with previous success in this race, however he's fallen out with the team this season, is likely to leave in the winter and hasn't had some of his lieutenants picked. Kiserlovski is their best bet for GC, he's been Contador's domestique in the past though he's already done the Giro this season (where he finished 31st). Ilnur Zakarin was 5th in the Giro and won a mountain stage of this race last year but is bypassing this, presumably going for the Vuelta.

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              #7
              Sunweb; Niklas Arndt, Warren Barguil, Roy Curvers, Laurens ten Dam, Simon Geschke, Michael Matthews, Mike Teunissen, Ramon Sinkeldam, Albert Timmer.

              This is Tom Dumoulin's team, it's been known for a long time that the Tour isn't part of his programme this year. Instead they're led by Warren Barguil, who was France's big hope a few years back. He's not really lived up to expectations and if he doesn't get a high finish here it'll be a while before he leads a team in a Grand Tour again. The signs in the Dauphine were not promising, he was regularly getting dropped well before the action kicked off in the mountains. Matthews is the best bet for a stage win on punchy finishes and could wear yellow in the first few days as he's not a bad time triallist either. Arndt is notionally their sprinter but he'll likely be filling lower places in the top ten at best. The rest are largely solid diesel engines who could win a stage if they got in the right move.

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                #8
                Originally posted by longeared View Post
                Hurray - a confirmed team line up at last:

                Bora - Hansgrohe; Maciej Bodnar (Pol), Emanuel Buchmann (Ger), Marcus Burghardt (Ger), Rafal Majka (Pol), Jay McCarthy (Aus), Pawel Poljanski (Pol), Peter Sagan (Svk), Juraj Sagan (Svk) and Rüdiger Selig (Ger).

                Peter Sagan is their star rider, he's won the green jersey four years in a row and should do so again this. Rafal Majka is the GC rider, twice King of the Mountains in recent years, stage winner in the mountains, Vuelta podium in 2015, ridiculously long odds at the bookies as noted before. Buchmann claimed the best young rider jersey at the Dauphine ahead of some more illustrious names, he quietly finished 21st in this race last year and is one to keep an eye on.
                Ah, so no König after all. I guess Buchmann's recent good form got him the nod, and the Czech will presumably now be targeting the Vuelta.

                I have positive feelings towards Buchmann from the 2015 Tour, when he got in a break and finished third on a tough stage (I backed him each way as soon as I saw him get in the attack!). He was German champion at the time, which I thought was unusual for such a young rider and in the context of the German championship that year marked him out as a strong climber.

                Last year's each way success was Bardet at 66/1. This year I have Majka - but I "only" got him at 80.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by longeared View Post
                  Sunweb; Niklas Arndt, Warren Barguil, Roy Curvers, Laurens ten Dam, Simon Geschke, Michael Matthews, Mike Teunissen, Ramon Sinkeldam, Albert Timmer.

                  This is Tom Dumoulin's team, it's been known for a long time that the Tour isn't part of his programme this year. Instead they're led by Warren Barguil, who was France's big hope a few years back. He's not really lived up to expectations and if he doesn't get a high finish here it'll be a while before he leads a team in a Grand Tour again. The signs in the Dauphine were not promising, he was regularly getting dropped well before the action kicked off in the mountains. Matthews is the best bet for a stage win on punchy finishes and could wear yellow in the first few days as he's not a bad time triallist either. Arndt is notionally their sprinter but he'll likely be filling lower places in the top ten at best. The rest are largely solid diesel engines who could win a stage if they got in the right move.
                  Simon Geschke's beard makes him easy to spot in the attacks.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kevin S View Post
                    Ah, so no König after all.
                    Konig's been injured (again) for most of the season, he didn't compete between the Majorcan races at the end of January and the Dauphine. He lost huge chunks of time on the early stages there and didn't make the high mountains, understandably they're not taking him given his lack of racing.

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                      #11
                      Cheers longeared, had missed that.

                      The Giro saw an interesting four way battle for the young* rider classification between Adam Yates, Davide Formolo, Bob Jungels (the winner) and Jan Polanc.

                      We might see similar at the Tour with Simon Yates and Meintjes in particular given their GT pedigree. Other young riders to consider are of course led by Buchmann, plus Pierre Latour of AG2R (who won the final MTF of last year's Vuelta - presumably Bardet's deputy here) and Tiesj Benoot of Lotto Soudal (third in the white jersey for the Dauphiné),

                      We mentioned the extraordinary young FDJ climber David Gaudu in one of the spring classics (Fleche Wallone) earlier this year, but he's only 20 and withdrew from the Dauphiné so I doubt will be making a TdF debut just yet, and there are some other youngsters we've had half an eye on who are not coming to the big one, but might try the Vuelta - the likes of Sam Oomen, Tao Geoghegan-Hart and Marc Soler.

                      * due to the way that cyclists develop their stamina over the course of their careers, it is an unusual sport in which you turn pro sometime around age 21-23, and are still considered to be "young" at 25.

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                        #12
                        Just because it's pretty amazing, even if it's not a lot to do with Le Tour, here's the moment Gaudu decided to attack Valverde, who was going for (and got) his fourth Fleche Wallone in a row.

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                          #13
                          As you say, the green jersey is probably a foregone conclusion. There are only two previous winners of the green jersey who are still active - Sagan and Cavendish. Sagan is capable of getting a placing on a bunch sprint even without a lead-out because he has the greatest instinctive sense of positioning and timing of any rider, as well as the acceleration needed of course - even if he doesn't have the top end speed of a Kittel or Bouhanni.

                          Because the Tour attracts the best sprinters, there is always a good chance they will take points off each other and this means there is a lot to be gained by contesting the intermediate sprints, which Sagan is best able to do. Maybe, a similar rider like Michael Matthews might try to contest these against him, but I've been hoping for that for a few years without joy. Not that I can have any complaints - Sagan is a double world champion for good reason, and five times maillot vert. This July he should join Erik Zabel at the top of that pile.

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                            #14
                            Sky: Chris Froome, Sergio Henao, Vasil Kiriyenka, Christian Knees, Michal Kwiatkowski, Mikel Landa, Mikel Nieve, Luke Rowe, Geraint Thomas.

                            Stupidly strong as expected, Froome going for his fourth win and lots of back up should things go wrong there - Henao, Landa, Kwiatkowski and Thomas are all good enough to lead World Tour teams in their own right. What is interesting is who hasn't been picked, Wout Poels has been injured and Knees is in rather than Ian Stannard to pull on the front for hours on end. Not an enormous surprise that mind given that Stannard was out of form in the classics and consistently being dropped early at the Dauphine.
                            Last edited by longeared; 22-06-2017, 12:15.

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                              #15
                              Yes, feels rather like Landa has the spot I'd imagined Poels in, and it's interesting in the context of rumours that he is going to ride for Movistar in 2018.

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                                #16
                                BMC: Damiano Caruso, Alessandro De Marchi, Stefan Kung, Amael Moinard, Richie Porte, Nicolas Roche, Michael Schar, Greg van Avermaet, Danilo Wyss.

                                Porte is the main man and pretty much everyone else is the support act, the exception being Greg van Avermaet who will be fighting out punchy finishes. Interesting that they've not selected Rohan Dennis (who would have been a major contender in the time trial) or added Tejay van Garderen for mountain support.

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                                  #17
                                  LottoNL - Jumbo: George Bennett, Robert Gesink, Dylan Groenewegen, Tom Leezer, Paul Martens, Primoz Roglic, Timo Roosen, Jos Van Emden, Robert Wagner.

                                  Roglic has won several big time trials this year and must be in with a shout in Dusseldorf. Van Emden won the TT on the final day of the Giro, his biggest career win and it got entirely overshadowed by Dumoulin taking the overall. Groenewegen is their sprinter who has been on good form lately, he won a couple of stages of the Ster ZLM Toer last week, beating Greipel in the second of those victories. Gesink is their man for the overall, he tends to be rather hit and miss though - he'll probably finish 6th, 30th or not at all.

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                                    #18
                                    Velonews has produced what they call Power Rankings for the GC. Here's their ordering:

                                    10 Meintjes
                                    09 Talansky
                                    08 Aru
                                    07 Pinot
                                    06 Chaves
                                    05 Contador
                                    04 Bardet
                                    03 Quintana
                                    02 Porte
                                    01 Froome

                                    I think I would argue that some of the secondary riders on the biggest teams might have better chances than some of the leaders of smaller teams. Astana have been very clear that they see Aru and Fuglsang as joint leaders, in fact - but whoever is #2 in Sky (Landa, presumably) is probably going to finish in the top ten.
                                    Last edited by Kevin S; 23-06-2017, 12:55.

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                                      #19
                                      Orica - Scott: Esteban Chaves, Simon Yates, Mat Hayman, Daryl Impey, Michael Albasini, Roman Kreuziger, Damien Howson, Jens Keukeleire and Luke Durbridge.

                                      Chaves is a smiley Colombian climber racing his first Tour. He has had an awful season so far, injured then badly off the pace at the Dauphine. The route doesn't suit him at all. There's always a big name who goes home in the first week, it could be him. Yates is a promising young rider who will target the white jersey, he races aggressively and could well win a stage, though his season has also been fairly low key. Good back up in Kreuziger. They've not taken Simon Gerrans, who is unfortunately some way past his best now.

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                                        #20
                                        Luke Durbridge is one of the 'big engine' riders who can pull out a solo stage win, or threaten the podium in the time trials. Eurosport's Carlton Kirby revels in calling him 'Turbo Durbo.'

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                                          #21
                                          Trek-Segafredo: Andre Cardoso, Alberto Contador, John Degenkolb, Fabio Felline, Michael Gogl, Markel Irizar, Koen de Kort, Bauke Mollema, Jarlinson Pantano

                                          Lots of options here. Contador won the race in 2007 and 2009, but is probably in the second rank of contenders now. His performance in the Dauphine was difficult to evaluate as he was under puzzling instructions not to attack. He'll animate the race and attack in odd places (assuming he's allowed to) but it's very hard to see him winning it. Mollema is useful back up, he often finishes in the top ten of Grand Tours without remotely looking like winning one. Pantano is a Colombian climber who won a stage last year. Felline could win a stage too, he's got a bit of a sprint and a good nose for the right move and has had some good results this season. Degenkolb is the sprinter, he won't win bunch gallops but has an excellent chance on punchier finishes.

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                                            #22
                                            Lotto-Soudal:

                                            Greipel
                                            Hansen
                                            Gallopin
                                            De Gendt
                                            Wellens
                                            Benoot
                                            Roelandts
                                            Bak
                                            Sieberg

                                            Griepel has famously won a stage in very Grnad Tour he's raced since 2008,he'll do so again. Hansen is on his 18th consecutive GT. Benoot is at the other end of his career and will be an interesting watch. Wellens is an exciting attacking rider. I'm drunk.

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                                              #23
                                              De Gendt loves a breakaway. He won the Ventoux stage last year and picked up a win in the Dauphiné earlier this month.

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                                                #24
                                                Fortuneo - VitalConcept: Maxime Bouet, Brice Feillu, Romain Hardy, Florian Vachon, Eduardo Sepulveda, Dan McLay, Pierre-Luc Perichon, Elie Gesbert, Laurent Pichon.

                                                Small French team who get a wild card on grounds of nationality, they will largely be expected to animate the race getting in breaks and the like. McLay is a reasonable sprinter who took a third place last year. Feillu won a mountain stage in 2009 and will probably their highest finisher, though it's pushing it to say he is a GC rider. Bouet has plenty of Grand Tour experience, expect to see him in a couple of purposeful moves.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Astana: Fabio Aru, Jakob Fuglsang, Michael Valgren, Alexey Lutsenko, Andrey Zeits, Andrei Grivko, Dmitriy Gruzdev, Dario Cataldo, Baknityar Kozhatayev

                                                  Aru won the 2015 Vuelta but flopped in his debut Tour last year. He won the Italian national championship today, he's been in good form lately, he could make the podium with a fair wind. Fuglsang won the Dauphine recently and is an inexplicably short price with bookies as a result, top ten will likely be the limit of his ambitions. Lutsenko has had a few decent results for a rider of his age. This team had a fairly weak roster at the start of the season and was further impacted by the passing of Michele Scarponi in April, so any success would be seen through that prism.

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