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      Should have taken a safety

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        This Rams team play some fun football. Doubt it will be enough to get them all the way, but they are at least entertaining.

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          I can't remember a wild card weekend so full of one-sided games. Raiders put up a fight at Cincy (and the Niners actually won in Dallas), but Philly, Pittsburgh, NE and the Cards all had the living shit kicked out of them.
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            Sorry to get into the realm of stupid questions again, but I'm surprised at the small number of teams included in wildcard weekend. Why aren't twice the amount of teams allowed and skip with week 18? Surely that would generate more gate income and make the season more competitive? I still find it quite sad that JustinHerbert didn't get to be in the play-offs.

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              The NFL likes to assert that one thing that distinguishes it from other NA leagues is that "every game matters".

              Expanding the playoffs has always been controversial given the degree to which doing so can decrease the importance of the regular season. It is also worth noting that the blowouts this weekend have led many observers to decry the addition of two more wild cards as the shameless money grab it was.

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                This weekend's games were almost all awful, which is something you almost never see in Wild Card weekend.

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                  Right - blameless they recently moved the 2nd seed into wildcard weekend so they could add another team. This favors finishing first in the conference more than it adds any interest to the games (which it makes worse). Now Green Bay and the Titans have a marked advantage over the Rams and Chiefs which didn't used to exist, which really tilts the Championship game. The NFL would argue it increases the chance of an upset next weekend. We will see.

                  For Steve^7 - adding more play off teams isn't the answer. There isn't enough depth - the teams on the bubble, Chargers included, were all relative levels of sucking. If you cannot lock up being in the playoffs in a 16 game season you will almost certainly stink out the playoffs. Also, game 17 gets immediately wrapped in to season tickets which goes to the teams. All playoff ticket revenue goes straight to head office.

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                    Originally posted by Incandenza View Post
                    This weekend's games were almost all awful, which is something you almost never see in Wild Card weekend.
                    Couldn't agree more with this, they've been a huge let down. Have really been looking forward to the evening games, all of which were over midway through the 2nd quarter.

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                      i was very entertained by the 49ers at Dallas.

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                        That said, I support 7 teams in. I like the 1st overall being the only team having the bye.

                        My earliest memories were of the wildcard games sucking (1980-81, when Oakland was the first wildcard champion. The closest game was 20 points in 1980s run-heavy scores.)

                        1980-81 - Av 20.5 points
                        5 Houston.............7:27.........Oakland 4 ----------20 points
                        5 Los Angeles.....13:34.........Dallas 4 ----------- 21 points

                        1981-82 - Av 5 Points
                        5 Giants........27:21..........Philly 4 ------------------ 6 points
                        5 Buffalo.......31:27..........Jets 4 -------------------- 4 points

                        1982-83
                        No Wild Card game....Strike Season....Top 8 had quarterfinals

                        1983-84 - Av. 15.5 points
                        5 Rams.........24:17.........Dallas 4 ---------- 7 points
                        4 Seattle........31:7..........Denver5 --------- 24 points

                        1984-85 - Av. 4.5 points
                        5 Raiders..........7:13........Seattle 4 ------------ 6 points
                        5 Giants............ 16:13.....LA Rams 4 --------- 3 points

                        1985-86 - Av. 13 points
                        5 San Francisco...3:17......Giants 4 ----------- 14 points
                        5 New England.....26:14....Jets 4 ------------- 12 points

                        1986-87 - Av. 16 points
                        5 Kansas City......15:35...... Jets 4 ------------------- 20 points
                        5 LA Rams ..........7:19 ....... Washington 4 -------- 12 points

                        1987-88 - Av. 18.5 points
                        5 Minnesota...... 44:10............. New Orleans 4 -------- 34 points
                        5 Houston ........ 23:20 (OT) ..... Seattle 4 --------------- 3 points

                        1988-89 - Av. 6 points
                        5 Houston ....... 24:23. .........Cleveland 4 ----------- 1 point
                        5 LA Rams .......17:28 .........Minnesota 4 ----------- 11 points

                        1989-90 - 8.5 points
                        5 LA Rams ........ 21:7 .................Philly 4 ------------ 14 points
                        5 Pittsburgh ...... 26:23 (OT) ..... Houston 4 --------- 3 points

                        1990-91 - Av. 13 points (Expanded Wildcard)
                        3 Cincinatti ........ 41:14 ........ Houston 6 ---------------- 27 points
                        4 Miami ............. 17:16 ......... Kansas City 5 ----------- 1 point

                        3 Chicago ......... 16:6 ........... New Orleans 6 ---------- 10 points
                        4 Philadelphia .... 6: 20 ....... Washigton 5 --------------- 14 point

                        1991-92 - Av. 5.5 points
                        4 Chicago ............. 13:17 ...... Dallas 5 ------------------ 4 points
                        3 New Orleans ...... 20:27.... Atlanta 6 ------------------- 7 points

                        3 Houston ............. 17:10. ...... Jets 6 ------------------- 7 points
                        4 Kansas City ....... 10:6 ....... Raiders 5 ---------------- 4 points

                        1992-93 - Av. 13.25
                        4 Buffalo .......41:38 (OT) ....... Houston 5 ---------------- 3 points
                        3 San Diego ..... 17:0 ......... Kansas City 6 -------------- 17 points

                        4 New Orleans ....... 20:36 ....... Philadelphia 5 --------- 16 points
                        3 Minnesota ............ 7:24 ........ Washington 6 --------- 17 points

                        1993-94 - Av. 8 points
                        4 Giants ........... 17:10 ............. Minnesota 5 ----------- 7 points
                        3 Detroit .......... 24:28 ............. Green Bay 6 ----------- 4 points

                        3 Kansas City .... 27:24........... Pittsburgh 6 ------------ 3 points
                        4 LA Raiders ...... 42:24 ......... Denver 5 ---------------- 18 points

                        1994-95 - Av. 9.5 points
                        3 Miami ............... 27:17 ......... Kansas City 6 ---------- 10 points
                        4 Cleveland ......... 20:13 ........ New England 5 --------- 7 points

                        4 Green Bay ........ 16:12 ......... Detroit 5 ------------------ 4 points
                        3 Minnesota ......... 18:35 ......... Chicago 6 --------------- 17 points


                        1995-96 - 14.5 points
                        3 Green Bay ............ 37:20 .......... Atlanta 6 ------------------- 17 points
                        4 Philadelphia .......... 58:37 .......... Detroit 5 ------------------- 21 points

                        4 San Diego ........... 20:35 ............ Indianapolis 5 ------------ 15 points
                        3 Buffalo ................. 37:22 ............. Miami 6 ------------------- 15 points

                        1996-97 - Av. 21 points
                        4 Buffalo.................. 27:30 .............. Jacksonville 5 ----------- 17 points
                        3 Pittsburgh ............ 42:14 .............. Indianapolis 6 ----------- 28 points

                        3 Dallas .................. 40:15 ............... Minnesota 6 ------------- 25 points
                        4 San Francisco ...... 14:0 ................ Philadelphia 5 ----------- 14 points

                        1997-98 - Av. 12.5 points
                        4 Tampa Bay ........... 20:10 .............. Detroit 5 ---------------- 10 points
                        3 NY Giants ............ 22:23 ............... Minnesota 6 ------------ 1 point

                        4 Denver ............... 42:17 ................. Jacksonville 5 --------- 25 points
                        3 New England ..... 17:3 .................... Miami 6 ---------------- 14 points

                        1998-99 - Av. 9.5 points
                        3 Jacksonville ............ 25:10 ............ New England 6 ------------ 15 points
                        4 Miami ...................... 24:17 ............ Buffalo 5 --------------------- 7 points

                        4 San Francisco ........ 30:27 ............ Green Bay 5 ---------------- 3 points
                        3 Dallas ....................... 7:20 ............ Arizona 6 -------------------- 13 points

                        1999-2000 - Av. 10 points
                        3 Washington ............. 27:13 ............ Detroit 6 ---------------------- 14 points
                        4 Minnesota ............... 27:10 ............ Dallas 5 ---------------------- 17 points

                        4 Tennessee .............. 22:16 .............. Buffalo 5 ------------------- 6 points
                        3 Seattle .................... 17:20 ............... Miami 6 ------------------- 3 points

                        2000-2001 - Av. 11.25 points
                        4 Baltimore.................. 21:3 ............... Denver 5 ------------------- 18 points
                        3 Miami ...................... 23:17 (OT) ...... Indianapolis --------------- 6 points

                        3 New Orleans ............ 31:28 .............. St. Louis Rams 6 -------- 3 points
                        4 Philadelphia ............. 21:3 ................. Tampa Bay 5 ------------- 18 points

                        2001-02 - av. 13.25 points
                        3 Philadelphia .............. 31:9 ................. Philadelphia 6 ----------- 22 points
                        4 Green Bay ................ 25:15 ............... San Francisco 5 -------- 10 points

                        3 Oakland Raiders........ 38:24 ............... Jets 6 --------------------- 4 points
                        4 Miami ......................... 3:20 ................ Batlimore 5 -------------- 17 points

                        2002-03 - Av. 16.25 points
                        3 Pittsburgh ................... 36:33 .............. Cleveland 6 -------------- 3 points
                        4 Jets ............................. 41:0 ................. Indianapolis 5 ---------- 41 points

                        4 San Francisco .............. 39:38 .............. Giants 5 ---------------- 1 point (and 100 pints after this one.....I actually screamed)
                        3 Green Bay .................... 7:27 ................ Atlanta 6 --------------- 20 points

                        2003-04 - Av. 14.75 points
                        3 Carolina ......................... 29:10 ............... Dallas 6 ---------- 19 points
                        4 Green Bay ..................... 33:27 ............... Seattle 5 ---------- 6 points

                        3 Indianapolis .................. 41:10 ............. Denver 6 ------------ 31 points
                        4 Baltimore ...................... 17:20 ............. Tennessee 5 -------- 3 points

                        2004-05 - 12.25 points
                        3 Indianapolis .............. 49:24 ................. Denver 6 ------------- 25 points
                        4 San Diego ................. 17:20 (OT ) ...... Jets 5 ------------------- 3 points

                        4 Seattle ...................... 20:27 ................ St. Louis 5 ------------ 7 points
                        3 Green Bay ............... 17:31 ................. Minnesota 6 ---------- 14 points

                        2005-06 - Av. 17.25 points
                        4 Giants...................... 0:23 .................... Carolina 5 ------------------ 23 points
                        3 Tampa Bay .............. 10:17 ................. Washington 6 -------------- 7 points

                        3 Cincinatti ................. 17:31 ................ Pittsburgh 6 ---------------- 14 points
                        4 New England .......... 28:3 .................. Jacksonville 5 -------------- 25 points

                        2006-07 - Av. 10 points
                        4 New England ............ 37:16 ............... Jets 5 ---------------------- 21 points
                        3 Indianapolis ............... 23:8 ............... Kansas City 6 ------------ 15 points

                        3 Philadelphia ............... 23:20 ............. Giants 6 -------------------- 3 points
                        4 Seattle........................ 21:20 .............. Dallas 5 -------------------- 1 point

                        2007-08 - Av. 11 points
                        4 Tampa Bay ................ 14:24 .............. Giants 5 --------------------- 10 points
                        3 Seattle ....................... 35:14 .............. Washington 6 -------------- 21 points

                        3 San Diego ..................17:6 ................ Tennessee 6 --------------- 11 points
                        4 Pittsburgh .................. 29:31 .............. Jacksonville 5 ------------- 2 points

                        2008-09 - Av. 10.5 points
                        3 Miami ......................... 9:27 ................... Baltimore 6 ------------- 18 points
                        4 San Diego ................. 23:17 (OT)........... Indianapolis 5 ---------- 6 points

                        3 Minnesota ................. 14:26 .................. Philadelphia 6 ---------- 12 points
                        4 Arizona ..................... 30:24 .................. Atlanta 5 ------------------ 6 points

                        2009-10 - Av. 13.75
                        3 Dallas ....................... 34:14 .................. Philadelphia 6 ---------- 20 points
                        4 Arizona ..................... 51:45 (OT) ......... Green Bay 5 ------------- 6 points

                        3 New England ............ 14:33 ................ Baltimore 6 --------------- 19 points
                        4 Cincinatti ....................14:24 ................. Jets 5 --------------------- 10 points










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                          2010-11 - Av. 8.5 points
                          3 Indianapolis ............... 16:17 .............. Jets 6 ---------------------- 1 points
                          4 Kansas City ................ 7:30 ............... Baltimore 5 --------------- 23 points

                          3 Philadelphia ............... 16:21 ............. Green Bay 6 --------------- 5 points
                          4 Seattle ........................ 41:36 ............. New Orleans 5 ----------- 5 points

                          2011-12 - Av. 16.5 points
                          4 Giants ........................ 24:2 ................ Atlanta 5 -------------------- 22 points
                          3 New Orleans ............. 45:28 ............... Detroit 6 -------------------- 17 points

                          3 Houston .................... 31:10 ................ Cincinatti 6 ---------------- 21 points
                          4 Denver ...................... 29:23 ................ Pittsburgh 5 --------------- 6 points

                          2012-13 - Av. 11.25 points
                          4 Baltimore ................... 24:9 .................. Indianapolis 5 -------------- 15 points
                          3 Houston .................... 19:13 ................. Cincinatti 6 ------------------ 6 points

                          3 Green Bay ................ 24:10 .................. Minnesota 6 -------------- 14 points
                          4 Washington ............... 14:24 ................. Seattle 5 ------------------- 10 points

                          2013-14 - Av. 5.75 points
                          4 Green Bay ................ 20:23 ................. San Francisco 5 ---------- 3 points
                          3 Philadelphia .............. 24:26 ................. New Orleans 6 ------------ 2 points

                          4 Indianapolis ............... 45:44 ................ Kansas City 5 ------------- 1 point
                          3 Cincinatti ................... 10:27 ................ San Diego 6 ---------------- 17 points

                          2014-15 - Av. 11 points
                          4 Indianapolis ............... 26:10 ............... Cincinatti 5 --------------- 16 points
                          3 Pittsburgh .................. 17:30 ............... Baltimore 6 ---------------- 13 points

                          3 Dallas ........................ 24:20 ................ Detroit 6 ------------------- 4 points
                          4 Carolina .................... 27:16 ................. Arizona 5 ------------------ 11 points

                          2015-16 - 12.5 points
                          4 Washington .............. 18:35 .................. Green Bay 5 ---------------- 17 points
                          3 Minnesota .................. 9:10 ................... Seattle 6 -------------------- 1 point

                          4 Houston ..................... 0:30 .................. Kansas City 5 -------------- 30 points
                          3 Cincinatti .................... 16:18 ................ Pittsburgh 6 ---------------- 2 points

                          2016-17 - Av. 19 points
                          3 Pittsburgh .................. 30:12 ............... Miami 6 ---------------- 18 points
                          4 Houston ..................... 27:14 ............... Oakland 5 ------------ 13 points

                          4 Green Bay ................. 38:13 ............... Giants 5 --------------- 25 points
                          3 Seattle ....................... 26:6 ................. Detroit 6 --------------- 20 points

                          2017-18 - Av. 6.5 points
                          4 New Orleans .............. 31:26 .............. Carolina 5 ----------------- 5 points
                          3 LA Rams .................... 13:26 .............. Atlanta 6 ------------------- 13 points

                          3 Jacksonville ................ 10:3 ................. Buffalo 6 ------------------ 7 points
                          4 Kansas City ................. 21:22 .............. Tennessee 5 ------------ 1 point

                          2018-19 - Av. 5.75 points
                          4 Baltimore .................... 17:23 ............... LA Chargers 5 ---------- 6 points
                          3 Houston ........................ 7:21 ............... Indianapolis 6 ----------- 14 points

                          4 Dallas ......................... 24:22 ............... Seattle 5 ------------------ 2 points
                          3 Chicago ..................... 15:16 ................ Philadelphia 6 ----------- 1 point

                          2019-20 - 6 points
                          4 Philadelphia ............... 9:17 ................. Seattle 5 ---------------- 8 points
                          3 New Orleans .............. 20:26 (OT) ....... Minnesota 6 ----------- 6 points

                          3 New England ............. 13:20 ............... Tennessee 6 ----------- 7 points
                          4 Houston ..................... 22:19 (OT) ....... Buffalo 5 ---------------- 3 points

                          2020-21 - Av. 6.833333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 333333334 (first time with 7 teams) -
                          4 Tennessee ................ 13:20 ................. Baltimore 5 --------------- 7 points
                          3 Pittsburgh ................. 37:48 ................. Cleveland 6 -------------- 11 points
                          2 Buffalo ...................... 27:24 ................. Indianapolis 7 ------------ 3 points

                          4 Washington ............... 23:31 ................ Tampa Bay 5 ------------- 8 points
                          3 Seattle ....................... 20:30 ................. LA Rams 6 -------------- 10 points
                          2 New Orleans .............. 21:9 .................. Chicago 7 ---------------- 12 points

                          2021-22 - Av. 17.16666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 666666666666666666666666667
                          4 LA Rams ................... 34:11 ................. Arizona 5 ---------------------- 23 points
                          3 Dallas ....................... 17:23 ................. San Francisco 6 ------------- 6 points
                          2 Tampa Bay ............... 31:15 ................. Philadelphia 7 ---------------- 16 points

                          4 Cincinatti .................. 26:19 ................. Las Vegas 5 ------------------ 7 points
                          3 Buffalo ...................... 47:17 ................ New England 6 --------------- 30 points
                          2 Kansas City .............. 42:21 ................ Pittsburgh 7 ------------------- 21 points

                          So, since 1980-81

                          20.5 + 5 + 15.5 + 4.5 + 13 + 16 + 18.5 + 6 + 8.5 + 13 + 5.5 + 13.25 + 8 + 9.5 + 14.5 + 21 + 12.5 + 9.5 + 10 + 11.25 + 13.25 + 16.25 + 14.75 + 12.25 + 17.25 + 10 + 11 + 10.5 + 13.75 + 8.5 + 16.5 + 11.25 + 5.75 + 11 + 12.5 + 19 + 6.5 + 5.75 + 6 + 6.83 + 17.16 = 481.24 / 41 = 11.7375 Average Margin of Wild Card victories over 4 decades

                          So it was a bad weekend, but 4th from the worst since 1980.

                          I'd say it seems worse because we got spoiled the past 4 years, which had an unprecedented run of 4 sub-10 point averages in a row. But we've had MANY stinkbomb games.

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                            Over the past 41 years.

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                              There were only two more wildcard game years....so those were:

                              ​​​​​​1978-79 - Av. 5 points
                              4 Miami …………………. 9:17 ………….. Houston 5 ——————---- 9 points
                              4 Atlanta ……………….. 13:14 …………. Philadelphia 5 —————- 1 point


                              1979-80 - Av. 8 points
                              4 Philadelphia ……….. 27:17 ………… Chicago 5 —————— 10 ponts
                              4 Houston ………....…. 13:7 ……….…. Denver 5 ——————--- 6 points

                              494.24 / 43 = 11.493953488372093 Average Margin of Victory in the 43-year Wildcard Game History

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                                So with the added 7th team, the margins of victory were 3, 12, 16, and 21.

                                13 point average margin. Slightly above average. But both games this year weren't the largest blowout in either division.

                                I'd say so far, so good on the 7th team.

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                                  The final margins are misleading

                                  Tampa Bay were up 31-0 after three quarters. The Chiefs led 35-7 in the third. Both games were shit contests.

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                                    Oh, I know about the expansion of the play-offs but this is the second season of 14 teams getting in, and we didn't have this deluge of mismatches last year. Too many of this year's playoff teams simply stunk the place out.

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                                      Perhaps we shouldn't overfit to a single season's worth of observations. We can probably say something more sensible about whether this system works well in 2025, when we have half a decade of data.

                                      I'm with Lobachevsky on the 49ers @ Cowboys game. I'm also with jason voorhees in that giving only the #1 seed a week off feels like a fair reward: it's a chunky competitive advantage for the team that pulls off the rather big feat of basically winning the regular season.

                                      Also, Cardinals @ Rams was a blowout in this wildcard game, but in December these teams played a single-score-differential thriller, and in October the Cardinals trashed the Rams. That this game turned into a blowout doesn't mean that the system is wrong; these teams are pretty close, but everything simply happened to click for the Rams.

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                                        Inside the NBA crew sinking the Cowboys ship -
                                        ​​​​​​https://youtu.be/3Zdj11j3Svs

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                                          Divisional Round 2021


                                          Saturday Janu 22 2022

                                          4:30pm Eastern
                                          ----- 4 Bungles @ 1 Titans ------ AFC
                                          8:15pm EST. --------- 6 Niners @ 1 Packers ------ NFC


                                          Sunday Janu 23 2022
                                          3:00pm EST ------- 4 Rams @ 2 Bucs ------------- NFC
                                          6:30pm EST-------- 3 Bills @ 2 Chiefs ------------ AFC

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                                            Ownership of the Green Bay Packers. The structure seemed to have started as a fundraiser to save it from bankruptcy in 1923:

                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iDv...otball%27sBest

                                            Current share sale:

                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPbX...l=YahooFinance
                                            Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 21-01-2022, 23:43.

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                                              In anticipation of today's games, here's a random bit of old time football from 1965

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                                                That's some clean 57 year old footage - thanks for digging that up.

                                                "Random bit of record-setting old time football from 1965"

                                                Some names that rang bells - Dave Kopay, Monte Stickells (pretty sure he was color announcer for niners when we lived there), and Bernie Casey.

                                                Some observations: Wrigley end zone w/ about two inches from chalk to brick outfield wall. Bukich face mask looks like the one I had on a helmet as a kid. This was THE game that ended Tommy Davis' consecutive PAT streak.

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                                                  Mossin’ ???

                                                  More like DITKAIN!!!!

                                                  (Referring to Ditka’s one-hander for the 2nd TD)

                                                  Gorgeous color. For the life of me, I have no idea why the Niners history pre-Montana is completely omitted. All the talk of the Cowboys-Niners playoff rivalry starting with The Catch, and here they played in 2 straight NFC Championships in the early 70s vs the Cowboys.

                                                  Plain weird. Never seen a more ignored history.

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                                                    Proper Ditka facemark and elbow pad.

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