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Sorry to get into the realm of stupid questions again, but I'm surprised at the small number of teams included in wildcard weekend. Why aren't twice the amount of teams allowed and skip with week 18? Surely that would generate more gate income and make the season more competitive? I still find it quite sad that JustinHerbert didn't get to be in the play-offs.
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The NFL likes to assert that one thing that distinguishes it from other NA leagues is that "every game matters".
Expanding the playoffs has always been controversial given the degree to which doing so can decrease the importance of the regular season. It is also worth noting that the blowouts this weekend have led many observers to decry the addition of two more wild cards as the shameless money grab it was.
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Right - blameless they recently moved the 2nd seed into wildcard weekend so they could add another team. This favors finishing first in the conference more than it adds any interest to the games (which it makes worse). Now Green Bay and the Titans have a marked advantage over the Rams and Chiefs which didn't used to exist, which really tilts the Championship game. The NFL would argue it increases the chance of an upset next weekend. We will see.
For Steve^7 - adding more play off teams isn't the answer. There isn't enough depth - the teams on the bubble, Chargers included, were all relative levels of sucking. If you cannot lock up being in the playoffs in a 16 game season you will almost certainly stink out the playoffs. Also, game 17 gets immediately wrapped in to season tickets which goes to the teams. All playoff ticket revenue goes straight to head office.
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Originally posted by Incandenza View PostThis weekend's games were almost all awful, which is something you almost never see in Wild Card weekend.
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That said, I support 7 teams in. I like the 1st overall being the only team having the bye.
My earliest memories were of the wildcard games sucking (1980-81, when Oakland was the first wildcard champion. The closest game was 20 points in 1980s run-heavy scores.)
1980-81 - Av 20.5 points
5 Houston.............7:27.........Oakland 4 ----------20 points
5 Los Angeles.....13:34.........Dallas 4 ----------- 21 points
1981-82 - Av 5 Points
5 Giants........27:21..........Philly 4 ------------------ 6 points
5 Buffalo.......31:27..........Jets 4 -------------------- 4 points
1982-83
No Wild Card game....Strike Season....Top 8 had quarterfinals
1983-84 - Av. 15.5 points
5 Rams.........24:17.........Dallas 4 ---------- 7 points
4 Seattle........31:7..........Denver5 --------- 24 points
1984-85 - Av. 4.5 points
5 Raiders..........7:13........Seattle 4 ------------ 6 points
5 Giants............ 16:13.....LA Rams 4 --------- 3 points
1985-86 - Av. 13 points
5 San Francisco...3:17......Giants 4 ----------- 14 points
5 New England.....26:14....Jets 4 ------------- 12 points
1986-87 - Av. 16 points
5 Kansas City......15:35...... Jets 4 ------------------- 20 points
5 LA Rams ..........7:19 ....... Washington 4 -------- 12 points
1987-88 - Av. 18.5 points
5 Minnesota...... 44:10............. New Orleans 4 -------- 34 points
5 Houston ........ 23:20 (OT) ..... Seattle 4 --------------- 3 points
1988-89 - Av. 6 points
5 Houston ....... 24:23. .........Cleveland 4 ----------- 1 point
5 LA Rams .......17:28 .........Minnesota 4 ----------- 11 points
1989-90 - 8.5 points
5 LA Rams ........ 21:7 .................Philly 4 ------------ 14 points
5 Pittsburgh ...... 26:23 (OT) ..... Houston 4 --------- 3 points
1990-91 - Av. 13 points (Expanded Wildcard)
3 Cincinatti ........ 41:14 ........ Houston 6 ---------------- 27 points
4 Miami ............. 17:16 ......... Kansas City 5 ----------- 1 point
3 Chicago ......... 16:6 ........... New Orleans 6 ---------- 10 points
4 Philadelphia .... 6: 20 ....... Washigton 5 --------------- 14 point
1991-92 - Av. 5.5 points
4 Chicago ............. 13:17 ...... Dallas 5 ------------------ 4 points
3 New Orleans ...... 20:27.... Atlanta 6 ------------------- 7 points
3 Houston ............. 17:10. ...... Jets 6 ------------------- 7 points
4 Kansas City ....... 10:6 ....... Raiders 5 ---------------- 4 points
1992-93 - Av. 13.25
4 Buffalo .......41:38 (OT) ....... Houston 5 ---------------- 3 points
3 San Diego ..... 17:0 ......... Kansas City 6 -------------- 17 points
4 New Orleans ....... 20:36 ....... Philadelphia 5 --------- 16 points
3 Minnesota ............ 7:24 ........ Washington 6 --------- 17 points
1993-94 - Av. 8 points
4 Giants ........... 17:10 ............. Minnesota 5 ----------- 7 points
3 Detroit .......... 24:28 ............. Green Bay 6 ----------- 4 points
3 Kansas City .... 27:24........... Pittsburgh 6 ------------ 3 points
4 LA Raiders ...... 42:24 ......... Denver 5 ---------------- 18 points
1994-95 - Av. 9.5 points
3 Miami ............... 27:17 ......... Kansas City 6 ---------- 10 points
4 Cleveland ......... 20:13 ........ New England 5 --------- 7 points
4 Green Bay ........ 16:12 ......... Detroit 5 ------------------ 4 points
3 Minnesota ......... 18:35 ......... Chicago 6 --------------- 17 points
1995-96 - 14.5 points
3 Green Bay ............ 37:20 .......... Atlanta 6 ------------------- 17 points
4 Philadelphia .......... 58:37 .......... Detroit 5 ------------------- 21 points
4 San Diego ........... 20:35 ............ Indianapolis 5 ------------ 15 points
3 Buffalo ................. 37:22 ............. Miami 6 ------------------- 15 points
1996-97 - Av. 21 points
4 Buffalo.................. 27:30 .............. Jacksonville 5 ----------- 17 points
3 Pittsburgh ............ 42:14 .............. Indianapolis 6 ----------- 28 points
3 Dallas .................. 40:15 ............... Minnesota 6 ------------- 25 points
4 San Francisco ...... 14:0 ................ Philadelphia 5 ----------- 14 points
1997-98 - Av. 12.5 points
4 Tampa Bay ........... 20:10 .............. Detroit 5 ---------------- 10 points
3 NY Giants ............ 22:23 ............... Minnesota 6 ------------ 1 point
4 Denver ............... 42:17 ................. Jacksonville 5 --------- 25 points
3 New England ..... 17:3 .................... Miami 6 ---------------- 14 points
1998-99 - Av. 9.5 points
3 Jacksonville ............ 25:10 ............ New England 6 ------------ 15 points
4 Miami ...................... 24:17 ............ Buffalo 5 --------------------- 7 points
4 San Francisco ........ 30:27 ............ Green Bay 5 ---------------- 3 points
3 Dallas ....................... 7:20 ............ Arizona 6 -------------------- 13 points
1999-2000 - Av. 10 points
3 Washington ............. 27:13 ............ Detroit 6 ---------------------- 14 points
4 Minnesota ............... 27:10 ............ Dallas 5 ---------------------- 17 points
4 Tennessee .............. 22:16 .............. Buffalo 5 ------------------- 6 points
3 Seattle .................... 17:20 ............... Miami 6 ------------------- 3 points
2000-2001 - Av. 11.25 points
4 Baltimore.................. 21:3 ............... Denver 5 ------------------- 18 points
3 Miami ...................... 23:17 (OT) ...... Indianapolis --------------- 6 points
3 New Orleans ............ 31:28 .............. St. Louis Rams 6 -------- 3 points
4 Philadelphia ............. 21:3 ................. Tampa Bay 5 ------------- 18 points
2001-02 - av. 13.25 points
3 Philadelphia .............. 31:9 ................. Philadelphia 6 ----------- 22 points
4 Green Bay ................ 25:15 ............... San Francisco 5 -------- 10 points
3 Oakland Raiders........ 38:24 ............... Jets 6 --------------------- 4 points
4 Miami ......................... 3:20 ................ Batlimore 5 -------------- 17 points
2002-03 - Av. 16.25 points
3 Pittsburgh ................... 36:33 .............. Cleveland 6 -------------- 3 points
4 Jets ............................. 41:0 ................. Indianapolis 5 ---------- 41 points
4 San Francisco .............. 39:38 .............. Giants 5 ---------------- 1 point (and 100 pints after this one.....I actually screamed)
3 Green Bay .................... 7:27 ................ Atlanta 6 --------------- 20 points
2003-04 - Av. 14.75 points
3 Carolina ......................... 29:10 ............... Dallas 6 ---------- 19 points
4 Green Bay ..................... 33:27 ............... Seattle 5 ---------- 6 points
3 Indianapolis .................. 41:10 ............. Denver 6 ------------ 31 points
4 Baltimore ...................... 17:20 ............. Tennessee 5 -------- 3 points
2004-05 - 12.25 points
3 Indianapolis .............. 49:24 ................. Denver 6 ------------- 25 points
4 San Diego ................. 17:20 (OT ) ...... Jets 5 ------------------- 3 points
4 Seattle ...................... 20:27 ................ St. Louis 5 ------------ 7 points
3 Green Bay ............... 17:31 ................. Minnesota 6 ---------- 14 points
2005-06 - Av. 17.25 points
4 Giants...................... 0:23 .................... Carolina 5 ------------------ 23 points
3 Tampa Bay .............. 10:17 ................. Washington 6 -------------- 7 points
3 Cincinatti ................. 17:31 ................ Pittsburgh 6 ---------------- 14 points
4 New England .......... 28:3 .................. Jacksonville 5 -------------- 25 points
2006-07 - Av. 10 points
4 New England ............ 37:16 ............... Jets 5 ---------------------- 21 points
3 Indianapolis ............... 23:8 ............... Kansas City 6 ------------ 15 points
3 Philadelphia ............... 23:20 ............. Giants 6 -------------------- 3 points
4 Seattle........................ 21:20 .............. Dallas 5 -------------------- 1 point
2007-08 - Av. 11 points
4 Tampa Bay ................ 14:24 .............. Giants 5 --------------------- 10 points
3 Seattle ....................... 35:14 .............. Washington 6 -------------- 21 points
3 San Diego ..................17:6 ................ Tennessee 6 --------------- 11 points
4 Pittsburgh .................. 29:31 .............. Jacksonville 5 ------------- 2 points
2008-09 - Av. 10.5 points
3 Miami ......................... 9:27 ................... Baltimore 6 ------------- 18 points
4 San Diego ................. 23:17 (OT)........... Indianapolis 5 ---------- 6 points
3 Minnesota ................. 14:26 .................. Philadelphia 6 ---------- 12 points
4 Arizona ..................... 30:24 .................. Atlanta 5 ------------------ 6 points
2009-10 - Av. 13.75
3 Dallas ....................... 34:14 .................. Philadelphia 6 ---------- 20 points
4 Arizona ..................... 51:45 (OT) ......... Green Bay 5 ------------- 6 points
3 New England ............ 14:33 ................ Baltimore 6 --------------- 19 points
4 Cincinatti ....................14:24 ................. Jets 5 --------------------- 10 points
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2010-11 - Av. 8.5 points
3 Indianapolis ............... 16:17 .............. Jets 6 ---------------------- 1 points
4 Kansas City ................ 7:30 ............... Baltimore 5 --------------- 23 points
3 Philadelphia ............... 16:21 ............. Green Bay 6 --------------- 5 points
4 Seattle ........................ 41:36 ............. New Orleans 5 ----------- 5 points
2011-12 - Av. 16.5 points
4 Giants ........................ 24:2 ................ Atlanta 5 -------------------- 22 points
3 New Orleans ............. 45:28 ............... Detroit 6 -------------------- 17 points
3 Houston .................... 31:10 ................ Cincinatti 6 ---------------- 21 points
4 Denver ...................... 29:23 ................ Pittsburgh 5 --------------- 6 points
2012-13 - Av. 11.25 points
4 Baltimore ................... 24:9 .................. Indianapolis 5 -------------- 15 points
3 Houston .................... 19:13 ................. Cincinatti 6 ------------------ 6 points
3 Green Bay ................ 24:10 .................. Minnesota 6 -------------- 14 points
4 Washington ............... 14:24 ................. Seattle 5 ------------------- 10 points
2013-14 - Av. 5.75 points
4 Green Bay ................ 20:23 ................. San Francisco 5 ---------- 3 points
3 Philadelphia .............. 24:26 ................. New Orleans 6 ------------ 2 points
4 Indianapolis ............... 45:44 ................ Kansas City 5 ------------- 1 point
3 Cincinatti ................... 10:27 ................ San Diego 6 ---------------- 17 points
2014-15 - Av. 11 points
4 Indianapolis ............... 26:10 ............... Cincinatti 5 --------------- 16 points
3 Pittsburgh .................. 17:30 ............... Baltimore 6 ---------------- 13 points
3 Dallas ........................ 24:20 ................ Detroit 6 ------------------- 4 points
4 Carolina .................... 27:16 ................. Arizona 5 ------------------ 11 points
2015-16 - 12.5 points
4 Washington .............. 18:35 .................. Green Bay 5 ---------------- 17 points
3 Minnesota .................. 9:10 ................... Seattle 6 -------------------- 1 point
4 Houston ..................... 0:30 .................. Kansas City 5 -------------- 30 points
3 Cincinatti .................... 16:18 ................ Pittsburgh 6 ---------------- 2 points
2016-17 - Av. 19 points
3 Pittsburgh .................. 30:12 ............... Miami 6 ---------------- 18 points
4 Houston ..................... 27:14 ............... Oakland 5 ------------ 13 points
4 Green Bay ................. 38:13 ............... Giants 5 --------------- 25 points
3 Seattle ....................... 26:6 ................. Detroit 6 --------------- 20 points
2017-18 - Av. 6.5 points
4 New Orleans .............. 31:26 .............. Carolina 5 ----------------- 5 points
3 LA Rams .................... 13:26 .............. Atlanta 6 ------------------- 13 points
3 Jacksonville ................ 10:3 ................. Buffalo 6 ------------------ 7 points
4 Kansas City ................. 21:22 .............. Tennessee 5 ------------ 1 point
2018-19 - Av. 5.75 points
4 Baltimore .................... 17:23 ............... LA Chargers 5 ---------- 6 points
3 Houston ........................ 7:21 ............... Indianapolis 6 ----------- 14 points
4 Dallas ......................... 24:22 ............... Seattle 5 ------------------ 2 points
3 Chicago ..................... 15:16 ................ Philadelphia 6 ----------- 1 point
2019-20 - 6 points
4 Philadelphia ............... 9:17 ................. Seattle 5 ---------------- 8 points
3 New Orleans .............. 20:26 (OT) ....... Minnesota 6 ----------- 6 points
3 New England ............. 13:20 ............... Tennessee 6 ----------- 7 points
4 Houston ..................... 22:19 (OT) ....... Buffalo 5 ---------------- 3 points
2020-21 - Av. 6.833333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 333333334 (first time with 7 teams) -
4 Tennessee ................ 13:20 ................. Baltimore 5 --------------- 7 points
3 Pittsburgh ................. 37:48 ................. Cleveland 6 -------------- 11 points
2 Buffalo ...................... 27:24 ................. Indianapolis 7 ------------ 3 points
4 Washington ............... 23:31 ................ Tampa Bay 5 ------------- 8 points
3 Seattle ....................... 20:30 ................. LA Rams 6 -------------- 10 points
2 New Orleans .............. 21:9 .................. Chicago 7 ---------------- 12 points
2021-22 - Av. 17.16666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 666666666666666666666666667
4 LA Rams ................... 34:11 ................. Arizona 5 ---------------------- 23 points
3 Dallas ....................... 17:23 ................. San Francisco 6 ------------- 6 points
2 Tampa Bay ............... 31:15 ................. Philadelphia 7 ---------------- 16 points
4 Cincinatti .................. 26:19 ................. Las Vegas 5 ------------------ 7 points
3 Buffalo ...................... 47:17 ................ New England 6 --------------- 30 points
2 Kansas City .............. 42:21 ................ Pittsburgh 7 ------------------- 21 points
So, since 1980-81
20.5 + 5 + 15.5 + 4.5 + 13 + 16 + 18.5 + 6 + 8.5 + 13 + 5.5 + 13.25 + 8 + 9.5 + 14.5 + 21 + 12.5 + 9.5 + 10 + 11.25 + 13.25 + 16.25 + 14.75 + 12.25 + 17.25 + 10 + 11 + 10.5 + 13.75 + 8.5 + 16.5 + 11.25 + 5.75 + 11 + 12.5 + 19 + 6.5 + 5.75 + 6 + 6.83 + 17.16 = 481.24 / 41 = 11.7375 Average Margin of Wild Card victories over 4 decades
So it was a bad weekend, but 4th from the worst since 1980.
I'd say it seems worse because we got spoiled the past 4 years, which had an unprecedented run of 4 sub-10 point averages in a row. But we've had MANY stinkbomb games.
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There were only two more wildcard game years....so those were:
1978-79 - Av. 5 points
4 Miami …………………. 9:17 ………….. Houston 5 ——————---- 9 points
4 Atlanta ……………….. 13:14 …………. Philadelphia 5 —————- 1 point
1979-80 - Av. 8 points
4 Philadelphia ……….. 27:17 ………… Chicago 5 —————— 10 ponts
4 Houston ………....…. 13:7 ……….…. Denver 5 ——————--- 6 points
494.24 / 43 = 11.493953488372093 Average Margin of Victory in the 43-year Wildcard Game History
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Perhaps we shouldn't overfit to a single season's worth of observations. We can probably say something more sensible about whether this system works well in 2025, when we have half a decade of data.
I'm with Lobachevsky on the 49ers @ Cowboys game. I'm also with jason voorhees in that giving only the #1 seed a week off feels like a fair reward: it's a chunky competitive advantage for the team that pulls off the rather big feat of basically winning the regular season.
Also, Cardinals @ Rams was a blowout in this wildcard game, but in December these teams played a single-score-differential thriller, and in October the Cardinals trashed the Rams. That this game turned into a blowout doesn't mean that the system is wrong; these teams are pretty close, but everything simply happened to click for the Rams.
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Divisional Round 2021
Saturday Janu 22 2022
4:30pm Eastern ----- 4 Bungles @ 1 Titans ------ AFC
8:15pm EST. --------- 6 Niners @ 1 Packers ------ NFC
Sunday Janu 23 2022
3:00pm EST ------- 4 Rams @ 2 Bucs ------------- NFC
6:30pm EST-------- 3 Bills @ 2 Chiefs ------------ AFC
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Ownership of the Green Bay Packers. The structure seemed to have started as a fundraiser to save it from bankruptcy in 1923:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iDv...otball%27sBest
Current share sale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPbX...l=YahooFinanceLast edited by Satchmo Distel; 21-01-2022, 23:43.
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That's some clean 57 year old footage - thanks for digging that up.
"Random bit of record-setting old time football from 1965"
Some names that rang bells - Dave Kopay, Monte Stickells (pretty sure he was color announcer for niners when we lived there), and Bernie Casey.
Some observations: Wrigley end zone w/ about two inches from chalk to brick outfield wall. Bukich face mask looks like the one I had on a helmet as a kid. This was THE game that ended Tommy Davis' consecutive PAT streak.
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Mossin’ ???
More like DITKAIN!!!!
(Referring to Ditka’s one-hander for the 2nd TD)
Gorgeous color. For the life of me, I have no idea why the Niners history pre-Montana is completely omitted. All the talk of the Cowboys-Niners playoff rivalry starting with The Catch, and here they played in 2 straight NFC Championships in the early 70s vs the Cowboys.
Plain weird. Never seen a more ignored history.
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