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    #26
    The World Championship starts on Monday, qualifiers for a week and a bit then the final stages from a fortnight today. The whole lot is in Sheffield, which will be the first snooker played outside of MK or Celtic Manor since last year's Worlds.

    The headline tie from the draw got plenty of publicity - Jimmy White v Stephen Hendry on Monday evening, a repeat of four previous finals. What are the odds on that happening eh? Well, 1 in 32 as it happens. Hendry's comeback has been a damp squib, he's only played once which was a defeat to Matt Selt. White has had a fairly positive season by his standards and for once might get to stay on tour through his own performance rather than relying on Bazza to give him a wild card. Whoever wins will need to win three more ties to make the final stages, Xu Si in the next round feels winnable but then it'll be Zhou Yuelong who is the highest ranked player in qualifiers, so no chance of either of them getting past him.

    Stuart Bingham has carelessly managed to fall out of the top 16 and has to play qualifying for the first time since 2010. His first match against Mitchell Mann, Robbie McGuigan (who?) or Chen Zifan shouldn't present too many difficulties but then he'll likely have to beat Luca Brecel or Mark King who can both be brilliant or terrible on their day. Brecel has fallen down the rankings quite spectacularly, he was 14th seed as recently as a couple of years ago but he's now 47th. Bingham will be a player everyone wants to avoid in the first round proper should he make it, he'll be match sharp and might well start favourite against some players. He won't win the thing again but could very easily beat someone who might.

    There's two women in the draw. Reanne Evans faces Andy Hicks who beat her at the same stage last year. If she gets through that her draw looks brutal - Eden Sharav, then Graeme Dott, then probably Sunny Akani. I don't know much about Rebecca Kenna but she meets Brandon Sergeant first - there's worse draws than that. Pity Evans didn't get that draw really, she'd definitely have a chance with that, then Andrew Higginson and Li Hang would be difficult but winnable. Though Jamie Jones / Michael Holt in final qualifying would have been a step too far.

    Qualifying is at the Institute of Sport again, all behind closed doors. The final stages are at the Crucible and expected to be one of the government's pilot events as part of our irreversible path to liberty, equality and fraternity or something. It's not clear exactly what the arrangements will be but they had spectators (as part of, um, government pilot events) last summer for a few days without any significant issues so this will presumably form a template.
    Last edited by longeared; 03-04-2021, 19:33.

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      #27
      Blimey, as part of the Government Events Research Programme the Crucible is going to be at full capacity (950 or so) for the final, no social distancing, everyone with face coverings and having to produce a negative test in advance of entry and to be tested afterwards. The number of spectators in the arena is going to gradually increase through the tournament, from 33% capacity in the first round, then 50%, then 75%.

      Qualifying got underway on Monday. Hendry beat White in what was by all accounts not a terribly high quality match and will play Xu Si in the second round this evening. Reanne Evans lost 6-2 to Andy Hicks in a match closer than the scoreline suggested. Rebecca Kenna gave Brandon Sergeant a game last night but ultimately lost 6-4. Jamie Wilson whitewashed Barry Pinches in a match with a 33 year age difference between the players.

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        #28
        Apparently in Thailand the most popular variant of the game is six-red snooker. I've never played it, but it sounds like it might be quite fun - often even at pro level, breaks from the first red (of fifteen) break down when they get down to the last six reds, because the remaining ones are still tucked behind the pink or a rogue couple have spread to the cushions. So it sounds like every frame is like one of those in the normal format where both players have scored 40 or so and cleared away nine of the reds in so doing, and are effectively starting from level score. Has anyone played it or seen it played at pro level?

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          #29
          There's a six red world championship every September in Thailand, it's an official tour event. Stephen Maguire won the most recent edition in 2019, although most players apparently treat it largely as a bit of a piss up.

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            #30
            Are you applying for Crucible tickets this year?

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              #31
              I'm not. A venue famed for it's intimacy, air conditioned to a certain temperature, where you'll have to stay masked up (but will be impossible to police if people don't) that's a minimum of a third full? Fuck that.You'll only need one person to have Covid in it's incubation period, and everyone inside will have caught it.

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                #32
                Meanwhile, Alan McManus has retired following his 6-3 qualifying defeat to Bai Langning. McManus isn't guaranteed to drop of the tour at this stage, but probably only until tomorrow. Hopefully, this means more commentary, as he's by far the best in the business.

                As things stand, Jimmy White is just outside the list of players who retain their tour card through the one year list, but will almost certainly get an invitational card if he doesn't. There are four available, and Ken Doherty, Stephen Hendry and Marco Fu have three of them.
                Last edited by David Agnew; 09-04-2021, 18:48.

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                  #33
                  Draw for the tournament, starting on Saturday:

                  Ronnie O'Sullivan (2) v Mark Joyce (46)
                  Anthony McGill (16) v Ricky Walden (35)
                  Ding Junhui (9) v Stuart Bingham (18)
                  Stephen Maguire (8) v Jamie Jones (69)
                  John Higgins (5) v Tian Pengfei (53)
                  Mark Williams (12) v Sam Craigie (58)
                  Mark Allen (13) v Lyu Haotian (56)
                  Mark Selby (4) v Kurt Maflin (25)
                  Neil Robertson (3) v Liang Wenbo (29)
                  Jack Lisowski (14) v Ali Carter (23)
                  Barry Hawkins (11) v Matthew Selt (32)
                  Kyren Wilson (6) v Gary Wilson (22)
                  Shaun Murphy (7) v Mark Davis (45)
                  Yan Bingtao (10) v Martin Gould (27)
                  David Gilbert (15) v Chris Wakelin (63)
                  Judd Trump (1) v Liam Highfield (49)

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                    #34
                    I didn't watch the draw but did they remember to switch the sound and / or pictures on this year?

                    That looks a pretty good draw for Judd, not a great deal that should concern him before the semi finals even accounting for Highfield having put Zhou Yuelong out. Don't think Ronnie will be too unhappy with Joyce (who I was astonished to learn is a Crucible debutant, I just assumed he must have played there before) then I wouldn't expect him to lose to McGill or Walden over a three session match. I'd definitely fancy Jamie Jones to beat Maguire given how he's played in qualifying. Selby v Maflin looks an interesting tie for the differing styles of play and a repeat of when they met at this stage a few years back.

                    They're still going ahead with a full session on Saturday afternoon as things stand, although it will be pretty easy to just pause play briefly for the national silence. I also see there are masses of tickets still available for most sessions, including the (non socially distanced) final.

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                      #35
                      The qualifier list rankings are interesting - it appears only seven of those ranked 17-32 have taken up their (assumed) places at the Crucible? How many debutatants are there this year?

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                        #36
                        Joyce and Sam Craigie are the only debutants. The seven top 32 qualifiers is about par for the course I'd say, there was the same number in 2019 when qualifying had a slightly different format, and only three last year though that was from a standing start owing to the general lack of snooker and several absentees. Jamie Jones has an artificially low ranking as he fell off the tour following a harsh punishment for betting irregularities, he's top 32 standard and will climb further next season when he's got nothing to defend.

                        Also it's worth noting that once you get below about the mid 20s in rankings then there isn't a huge difference in ability and players can bounce all over the rankings if they have a good run in a big tournament. Gould was about to fall out of the top 64 not all that long ago and he's now at 27. Gary Wilson is defending a huge number of points from his 2019 semi final appearance and may well fall about a dozen places after the tournament. Similar for Gilbert who hasn't done much this season. Ryan Day won the wretched Shoot Out and jumped about twenty places doing so (although he's not here as he lost to Walden).

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                          #37
                          World Snooker probably waiting until the funeral starts to announce the four Chinese players who have qualified for next seasons tour through their qualifying events, as they include Cao Yupeng, whose suspension for agreeing to fix games ended last November. He was banned for two and a half years, with four and a half years suspended as long as he continues to assist the compliance unit, a more lenient punishment than compatriot Yu Delu received at the time, as four days after his initial interview where he denied everything, he made a full and frank confession. In his last season before the ban, he reached two ranking finals.

                          The other players to qualify were:
                          Zhang Jiankang - was on the tour from 2018 to 2020. Didn't do a lot, had a couple of runs in the two Scottish Opens he played. Missed the World Championship in 2019 when he lost an ID card and couldn't travel from China, and missed it in 2020, when the pandemic hit.
                          Wu Yize - 17 year old who has played as a Wild Card in a handful of tournaments in China (the tour hasn't visited/China since November 2019) without winning a match, but did play in the 2020 World Championsip, winning two matches before losing to Alan McManus.
                          Zhang Anda - Third spell on the tour having been pro from 2009 to 2011 and 2012 to 2020, but his highest ranking has been 65. Never been beyond the last sixteen in a tournament, but has reached the Crucible three times, including at his first attempt, which was his best showing, losing 10-9 to Stephen Hendry.

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                            #38
                            At the mid-session interval, Ronnie leads Mark Joyce 3-1. Ronnie not kicked into high gear, and Joyce has had at least one chance in each frame, but not capitalised. Yan Bingtao and Martin Gould are 2-2. Yan led 2-0, and had a big lead in the third, but a mistake allowed Gould to capitalise, and took the next as well.

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                              #39
                              Neil Robertson has turned into Craig McLachlan?

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                                #40
                                Yey! Hazel's back!

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                                  #41
                                  Presumably the understated introductions are just for today, and normal service will resume tomorrow.

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                                    #42
                                    We'll find out tomorrow, but suppose it's possible that they're not whipping the crowd up to cheer and shout as an anti Covid measure. Kudos to Mark Joyce showing RESPECT with that massive armband.

                                    Ronnie's just made a century to lead 8-4, this match shouldn't have much mileage left now. Robertson kept posing Liang all sorts of problems initially and stormed into a 4-1 lead this afternoon, then was less impressive to end the session at 6-3. He's my tip for the title (when will I ever learn eh given Robbo's modest Crucible record) so good that he's not peaking too soon.

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                                      #43
                                      And a 137 now, so still capable of moving up a few gears when required, or at least putting the mediocre frames out of his mind.

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                                        #44
                                        An interesting article today (even if originally in the Torygraph) wondering why the elder statesmen of snooker still largely dominate the world rankings, and why Trump is very much the exception to the rule among British players. They ask Higgins, O'Sullivan etc, and their response as to why they broke into the pro circuit so quickly is that the amateur scene was still incredibly competitive in the early Nineties, with relatively good facilities, so the transition wasn't as steep as it is currently. Trump then states that the image of the sport must change to attract a younger generation, and Hearn concludes with the prediction that the sport of 2031 will see much more Chinese and European involvement at the highest level:

                                        https://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...-40326006.html

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                                          #45
                                          Hearn was making pretty much the identical prediction about 2021, ten years ago.

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                                            #46
                                            The season before O'Sullivan, Higgins and Williams turned pro, the sport was changed from being a closed shop of 128 professionals, to one where anyone could turn pro by paying a one off fee (I think it was a grand).

                                            So, when they're talking about the amateur game, they're either talking about one of two things. Either the new pro circuit situation where they'd play their first match in a tournament with another new started, then as they progressed each round, they would be facing a slightly tougher opponent. The other possibility is that the actual amateur game before 1991 (when they would have all been fifteen), which was an outright closed shop and had only recent started to allow merit-based qualifiers (a maximum of ten each season). Before that, it was who you knew, rather than whether you were any good.

                                            These days, unless you win a continental amateur championship, your best route is through Q-School, which is more of a test of stamina than skill. Especially last season, where the three events were structured so that each of the three tournaments had their final four rounds take place on the same bady, on consecutive days/, so you had players starting early on the Friday morning, playing four matches, losing a final at 2am, then having to be back at the venue for 11am to have another go. The four qualifiers from the third day either hadn't played the day before, or were knocked out early. Three of them are ranked lower than 109, and we wonder why there's no new talent emerging.

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                                              #47
                                              Meanwhile Chris Wakelin has won two of the three frames this afternoon, to bring the score back to 8-4 against David Gilbert, Three years ago, he trailed Judd Trump by the same scoreline, before bringing it back to 8-8, then after Trump won the seventeenth frame, it came down to the final black, with Wakelin potting it to force a decider, which Trump won to scrape through. Wakelin's final shot in the eighteenth frame was the first time I experience the Crucible fall deadly silent, then explode into cheers as Wakelin potted a tricky black. The second time I experienced that change in volume there was a year later, as John Higgins attempted a double in a 147 attempt in the final.

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                                                #48
                                                Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View Post
                                                Hearn was making pretty much the identical prediction about 2021, ten years ago.
                                                There's a little bit more behind it this time. There seems to be a lot of young European talent at the moment, in a way there wasn't a decade back.

                                                Luca Brecel (26, Belgium) has dropped a lot in the rankings over the past couple of seasons, but is a former ranking event winner and runner-up and is still young enough to get back to those heights. Alexander Ursenbacher (24, Switzerland) should be ranked inside the top 48 for the first time ever at the end of the World Championships. Simon Lichtenberg (23, Germany) is on his third season on the tour, and after a difficult first two seasons (he lost his place, and managed to escape Q School in the first event), he's had a promising season, and if he builds on it next season the top 64 is a achievable target. Iulian Boiko (15, Ukraine) has had a tough first season on the tour, but qualified as World Amateur Open (the main one, not an age group version, and his name isn't a typo) runner-up the year. His best result as a pro was beating Fergal O'Brien (more than three times his age!). Brian Ochoiski (22, France) finished top of the Q School merit (the best of those who didn't qualify for the tour), and has played in each event this season as an amateur top up as a result, which would be a good grounding if he did qualify for the tour this summer. Brian Cini (24, Malta), Andres Petrov (24, Estonia), Rodion Judin (23, Latvia), Florian N??le (19, Austria), Julien Leclerq (18, Belgium), Antoni Kowalski (17, Poland), Ben Mertens (16, Belgium) all have wins over pro players when they'd been invited to tournaments, and there are good amateur scenes in Germany, Poland, Belgium and Bulgaria. Some will be false dawns. Andreas Ploner (27, Austria) looked like he had a good future in the game (and it's not too late to break in), but never broke into the pro ranks, and he's been overtaken by N??le when it comes to handing amateur invites out.

                                                One thing that would help is if the EBSA qualifying slots on the tour were aimed at continental Europe, rather than the players who have done best in an amateur tour mainly based in the UK, or (as it was until a couple of years ago) from two of the best performing amateurs in a couple of pro-am ranking tournaments where the high number of withdrawals skewed the results. Not sure how their spots will be assigned for the next season, but I've heard suggestions that it could be based on amateur performance in pro events this season (which would be Michael White & Leo Fernandez, both ex pros), or the best amateur performances in the World Championship (which would be Leclerq and N??le).

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                                                  #49
                                                  Rather brave of Rob Walker to publicly announce there's only 29 spectators in the Crucible this morning.

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                                                    #50
                                                    I'm sure Barry Hearn had visions of it being at capacity, but it has raised a smile to hear every news report say that they're are plenty of tickets available at each session.

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