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  • ursus arctos
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    Already discussed in the Murdoch thread

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  • Kevin S
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    I'm loath to mention the 'article' produced by a 'newspaper' today or indeed to mention the publication or the individual here lest it lead to some kind of alert thing.

    Utterly awful rag sinking to new depths. I hope the ECB ban their 'reporters'.

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  • George C.
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    Hmm, a long time before that happens.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Would Archer have missed the entire series if Anderson had been fit, or would he have eventually replaced Woakes?

    There's a huge danger of him being overbowled if he plays in all three forms of the game.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Well, it does say his earnings could "top £1m", which may mean they go significantly higher.

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  • Etienne
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    That's actually a bit lower than I'd have expected. I wonder how much Rabada (the closest equivalent I can think of) is getting from the SACB.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    As ever, Vic Marks has had a blinding summer and this article is a particularly good post script to it. I especially like Jack Leach's stories about his chats with Lyon and Smith after The Oval Test :

    Sacrificing Ashes for a World Cup win appears worthwhile for England

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by Etienne View Post
    Other way round surely. If the SACB and the WICB had substantially more money, then there would be much less financial incentive for some of their young players to decide that playing in/for England would be better for them.
    A case in point ;

    Archer, key to the World Cup win and so electric in his first four Tests, is down for top-tier terms in both red- and white-ball cricket.

    The 24-year-old, who took 22 wickets in the 2-2 Ashes draw and whipped up breathtaking 96mph speeds, will be among a select group whose combined annual England earnings are expected to top £1m as the sportís new five-year £1.1bn TV deal kicks in.


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  • George C.
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    ??

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Not to the extent that I'd be thrown out of a ground for it

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  • George C.
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    Thought you supported Ireland?

    Aren't you peeved at Morgan cynically changing teams?

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Originally posted by George C. View Post
    Yeah right. They cynically change the criteria and then don't select these foreigners. How does that work?
    Spare us the exaggerated outrage. I don't agree with the criteria, merely pointed out that I accept that all those mentioned meet them.

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  • George C.
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    Fair last point. The ICC should be ashamed then.

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  • Etienne
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    The criteria change was to follow an ICC change. But I agree, if the players become eligible then England will chose them. Better to create a situation where elite cricketers in test playing nations can make their livelihood there without it being better economically to come to England.

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  • George C.
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    Yeah right. They cynically change the criteria and then don't select these foreigners. How does that work?

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Originally posted by Etienne View Post
    Yeah, and Jennings mum was English. These things are rarely black and white. I have much more of an issue with players like Abbott and Olivier abandoning international careers for Kolpak contracts. International cricketers should be paid enough that it's not financially better to play county cricket, and richer nations should spread out more money to the poorer ones if their boards can't afford to make it so
    It's clear cut in the sense that Archer, Jennings and Malan are 'ringers' by moving as adults. I'm not blaming them for moving, nor querying whether they meet the eligibility criteria. I'd just prefer England didn't pick them.
    Last edited by Duncan Gardner; 16-09-2019, 11:17.

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  • Etienne
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    Other way round surely. If the SACB and the WICB had substantially more money, then there would be much less financial incentive for some of their young players to decide that playing in/for England would be better for them. Of course other reasons might still persuade them.

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  • George C.
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    Originally posted by Etienne View Post
    Yeah, and Jennings mum was English. These things are rarely black and white. I have much more of an issue with players like Abbott and Olivier abandoning international careers for Kolpak contracts. International cricketers should be paid enough that it's not financially better to play county cricket, and richer nations should spread out more money to the poorer ones if their boards can't afford to make it so.
    Not going to happen though if the likes of England (& Wales) keep poaching lesser teams best players. Especially when they have hundreds of home-grown ones of their own to choose from.

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  • Vicarious Thrillseeker
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    Ooh. The series result is dreadful, in that it papers over massive cracks for both teams. Burns acquitted himself well and Stokes was, well, Stokes. But the batting shows Bayliss's preference for white ball cricket - we need batsmen who know where off stump is and the need for soft hands. As mentioned above, Denly is 33 and not the answer for much longer. Bowling - Broad was awesome, and Archer is a genuine threat. But apart from that, the cupboard is looking a little bare. Woakes and Overton are not going to pull up trees for you. Just how long can Broad continue in this vein? And who is going to replace him? I'm not yet convinced that Leach is the answer to our spinning issue, either. Yeah - I'm a tough audience....

    Root's a lucky captain - he got very lucky with the Headingley win, Paine's abysmal reviewing and his (Paine's) decison to bowl first at the Oval. He'll probably keep his job for a while now.

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  • Etienne
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    Yeah, and Jennings mum was English. These things are rarely black and white. I have much more of an issue with players like Abbott and Olivier abandoning international careers for Kolpak contracts. International cricketers should be paid enough that it's not financially better to play county cricket, and richer nations should spread out more money to the poorer ones if their boards can't afford to make it so.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Malan was born in England though.

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  • Etienne
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    Yeah, I think Malan was about 18 and Jennings 20 when they moved over.

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Thanks Etienne, my mistake. I think I may have confused him with another player- Jennings or Malan perhaps?

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  • Etienne
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    Roy was 10 when his family moved to the UK.

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    England used 2 players who moved here as adults (Roy and Archer). Curran and Stokes went to school in England (and Labuschagne and Khawaja in Australia)

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