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    Nice one E10.

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      Originally posted by kokamoa View Post

      Not so, I remember thinking if we can have two partnerships of around 120, that’ll be the bulk of it done. It didn’t quite pan out in that manner, and it was ignored in the aftermath of the spectacular finale but the Root-Denly partnership of 126 for the third wicket and the Stokes-Bairstow partnership of 86 for the fifth wicket played their parts in providing a platform for Stokes’s heroics. Shout out to Jofra Archer for biffing 15 runs out of a 25 run partnership which got the target down from from 98 to 73 runs.
      Here's my post from the evening before the Day 4.

      "So, England need 203 to win and have seven wickets in hand. It's doable, isn't it? If root can stay in and someone else gets a big score. i have day 4 tickets so am keeping my fingers crossed."

      Like Kokomoa said, it didn't pan out in that manner but I still felt we could get over the line. I will never tire of telling people that I was at the ground on that last day. Best live sporting moment of my life.

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        I'm watching a Channel 4 programme on 2005, and I'm in tears. Of happiness...

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          BBC online had the TMS coverage from 2005. I thought I'd tune in.

          I realize that I don't pay the licence fee, so I can't expect live coverage for nowt, but after 15 years ... still "Not available in your location".

          I wonder if they'll unlock 1981?

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            There used to be a TMS YouTube channel that you could use to listen to live commentaries overseas. I'm not sure if it's still going and/or if they carry the reruns of old tests here.

            Much as I love TMS, I can't get in to listening to the old test matches so far because (for understandable reasons) they've chosen ones from which the result and incidents are so well known and often revisited. Especially as they're all England victories.

            I'd much rather they put up an archive of old series you could dive in to at random without the result necessarily being known.

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              Edgbaston 2005 on TMS was new for me, as I consumed that series either through Channel 4 or watching the Grauniad / Cricinfo text commentaries at work. Proper old school Peter Baxter TMS as well, three commentators (Aggers / Blowers / Maxwell), Selvey / Geoff Lawson summarising and Frindall scoring. Women clearly hadn't been invented by 2005. There was also the fun of trying to work out which recent series were under discussion, at one point they mentioned a West Indies tour and I was like "was that the 51 all out one?" (no, not until a few years later), no rock and rolling DRS, though that also meant Billy Bowden. Also enjoyed that every now and then there was a sudden blast of Soul Limbo for no obvious reason, presumably editing out something deemed not broadcastable now.

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                Boycott gone from TMS - good riddance IMHO.

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                  Sky Documentaries is showing Fire In Babylon at 8.20 tonight. Though it's available on demand via Now TV.

                  I had tickets for the first day at Lord's for the Test v WI on 25/07. Gutted.

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                    Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
                    Boycott gone from TMS - good riddance IMHO.
                    It's a difficult one. While I have no doubt that he would be a detestable person to know, and I disagree with so much of what he says, he did add listenability value to it.

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                      It feels like he's been slowly inching towards retirement for a very long time. He hasn't I think been a regular in the true sense of the world for ages, often missing particular tours or series. Overall, it's good that TMS are not keeping the older guard on too long. Listening back to the Ashes 2005 radio commentary, I don't miss Blofeld one bit. It feels like Boycott's said all he needed to say. And I say that as someone who was quite fond of his perspective, if not his persona. Could it be really said he didn't get a fair crack of the whip, and for many years?

                      His message on Twitter is quite magnanimous, as he was sometimes wont to do. "To everyone out there Be sensible Stay alive Your life is precious."

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                        I'll miss Boycott's insight and even some of his pantomime persona. Even more so if they replace him with another former player who's a "banter" merchant obsessed with his twitter feed.

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                          I thought that the BBC have been managing him out for a while - Vaughan replaced him on the end of day summary a few years back, and he's sometimes only been on twice in a day and rarely appears in the intervals. He'd become an anachronism, banging on about uncovered pitches and trying not to say how much better things used to be and calling Alison Mitchell "love". I thought they'd retire him at the end of last season anyway what with the BBC now having the telly coverage and trying to appeal to a younger audience.

                          TMS are currently broadcasting Trent Bridge 2013, Bell and Broad are at the crease just after tea on the third day. Blowers is doing this match and has clearly declined in the years from the 2005 repeat they did, full of mistakes and not knowing what's going on (literally the first thing he said was that Harmison's wide at Brisbane was in 1906) and weirdly calling Mitchell Starc "Starcers". Also quite funny to hear them considering the possibility of England winning the back to back Ashes 10-0 and what Ashton Agar might achieve in his career - he was dropped after the next match at Lords, his only subsequent Tests were a couple in Bangladesh and he's become a T20 specialist.

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                            weirdly calling Mitchell Starc "Starcers"
                            Was Starc naked?

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                              Originally posted by gt3 View Post
                              Sky Documentaries is showing Fire In Babylon at 8.20 tonight. Though it's available on demand via Now TV.

                              I had tickets for the first day at Lord's for the Test v WI on 25/07. Gutted.
                              Watched this tonight, very entertaining although the musical interludes got a tad annoying and ended up getting skipped.
                              It was interesting how much credit Clive Lloyd was given for unifying the players into a team and ditching the "calypso" tag, giving them the belief to win.

                              Andy Roberts is still scary even just reminiscing, while Viv Richards still looks about 45, I had to check that this wasn't a 20 year old film.

                              It also covered the rebel tour to South Africa, which ended Colin Croft's career (and that of most of the squad). Croft remains fairly unrepentant.

                              Unfortunately for Windies opponents, Croft's removal opened up a slot for Malcolm Marshall, who went on to absolutely take the piss in England in 84.

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                                It's significant that only three of the rebels played in the last Windies series before the South Africa tour: Croft, Bacchus and David Murray. The rest had already finished their test careers (like Rowe) or were on the fringe of the squad:

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_...983%E2%80%9384

                                And the players who came in were better: Marshall (as you say) but also Gus Logie, Richie Richardson and Jeffrey Dujon.

                                Unlike in the cases of Gooch etc in England and Australia, good players who still had their best years ahead chose to stay home and protect their Test futures, partly for black pride and to avoid stigma but also because the prestige of being a West Indies player was so much greater. Obviously they also knew that a life ban was certain whereas Gooch took his three year ban and still had a full career. I don't think playing for England meant as much to Gooch as playing for West Indies meant for Richards and Marshall.
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                                  Only Ezra Moseley, a new name to me, ever played for them again, but only twice, he broke Gooch's hand with England 1-0 up in 89-90 (Windies won 2-1).

                                  Of the younger rebels, their stellar county performances in the late 80s suggest that Franklyn Stephenson and Sylvester Clarke could have had half-decent Windies careers, perhaps instead of the likes of Patterson or Benjamin, although Ambrose and Walsh would soon emerge.

                                  Clarke was particularly fearsome, like Roberts the batsmen ended up convinced he was out to maim them rather than take their wicket.

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                                    Originally posted by jwdd27 View Post
                                    Clarke was particularly fearsome, like Roberts the batsmen ended up convinced he was out to maim them rather than take their wicket.
                                    I'd suggest that Clarke, like Patterson and early-Holding, just used raw pace to rattle the batsmen, but Roberts was a notch above that. He was quick, very quick, but was far more deceptive than that, and as the program rightly pointed out, was viewed very much as the bowlers bowler. He was one of the very few, at that time fast bowlers, to vary pace, bounce and his bowling angle, something that a large number of batsmen couldn't deal with, especially the ball aimed towards the ribcage. Was fortunate to see him play a number of times, both for WI and in his sunset days at Leicestershire, and was a bit miffed that in a recent poll of greatest-ever overseas players for the county, he wasn't one of the choices (Brian Davison won in case you're interested).

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                                      Originally posted by jwdd27 View Post
                                      Only Ezra Moseley, a new name to me, ever played for them again, but only twice, he broke Gooch's hand with England 1-0 up in 89-90 (Windies won 2-1).
                                      Moseley was rapid. My friend toured south Wales and Moseley was the club pro for one of the clubs down there. He (friend) was hit on the pads and walked - said he had never been in so much pain through being hit on the legs. Short video of him (Moseley) breaking Gooch's hand hand attached - and a very fast bouncer to Jimmy Cook
                                       
                                      Last edited by Vicarious Thrillseeker; 08-06-2020, 11:30.

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