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  • Incandenza
    started a topic NBA 2019/20: Return of the Big 3?

    NBA 2019/20: Return of the Big 3?

    Seeing "2017/18" in the other thread was giving me a headache, so a new thread for the new season. Everyone always says that the NBA is the American sports league that commands attention year-round, and that's proving to be the case again.

    The Lakers trading all of the young core (minus Kyle Kuzma) plus the #4 picks and future first round picks to get Anthony Davis. It's a lot to give up, but sad to say, we have no idea what Ingram's health will be like, Lonzo Ball I think could become an elite passer and defender, but not much else, and if the trade makes the team as good as they will hope it does, those future first round picks aren't going to be worth much anyway. A team trading for a superstar NBA player in the prime of his career hasn't "lost" a trade yet.

    Now the focus is on who the Lakers can land with the remaining cap room they have, which should be enough for a max contract. A Kyrie/LeBron reunion? Jimmy Butler? Kemba Walker? The Lakers FO has been a dumpster fire, but adding AD to one of the top 2 players of all time pretty much serves as its own pitch to free agents.

    There's still also the small matter of if Durant and Kawhi will stay with their teams or look to move on. Its basketball's version of the transfer window in football, except this usually provides a lot of drama.

  • Cesar Rodriguez
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    I meant the fall of 2017.

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  • Cesar Rodriguez
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    Originally posted by Incandenza View Post
    Houston gave up two first round picks to get a longer contract on their books. I know that Westbrook is younger that CP3, so I wonder if Paul and Harden really did hate each other.
    Its a strange one because CP3 chose the Rockets a couple years back (when he was a free agent) because of James Harden, he had a three show special on ESPN that aired in the fall of 2018 which laid it all out. Clearly they had the marriage, the honeymoon, had the arguments, the irreconcilable differences and now divorce.

    Matt Barnes was on TV yesterday and said that CP3 was a pretty old school. demonstrative, demanding point guard who was very verbal with his teammates which sometimes rubbed them the wrong way.

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  • Cesar Rodriguez
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    Great conversation here regarding where the balance of power rests in the NBA and how fans of small market teams are now disenfranchised.

    Enjoyed how they talk about the different type of NBA fan, the social media fan versus the loyal game-going season ticket holder type of fan.

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  • Incandenza
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    Houston gave up two first round picks to get a longer contract on their books. I know that Westbrook is younger that CP3, so I wonder if Paul and Harden really did hate each other.

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  • Cesar Rodriguez
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    OKC press the reset button sending Westbrook to Houston, CP3 goes the other way.

    I am legitimately excited to see the two playing together again. Christ, is it really 7 years since Harden played in Oklahoma? Time sure does fly, the older you get the faster it seems to go.

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  • ursus arctos
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    That's, that's the Costacos Brothers' music, bro!

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  • Incandenza
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    Originally posted by jason voorhees View Post
    It's kind of weird/interesting that it's now Big 2 instead Big 3, and will essentially be NBA Jam come to life.
    Westbrook is interested in going to Miami, who is working on pulling off a trade with OKC to pair him with Jimmy Butler.

    Can you imagine the two of them in the Miami Vice jerseys? GOOD HEAVENS

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  • Hot Pepsi
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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    I do wonder whether we will start to see more younger fans support individuals rather than clubs, much in the way that "CR7" and Mendes have created a legion ready to change allegiances overnight.

    Both the dramatic rise in "player power" and the ubiquity of access to "content" from the entire league certainly make the ground for that kind of thing much more fertile than it was when I was growing up.
    This film is about that, sort of. Itís more about how the players could just create their own ďcontent.Ē I donít care about basketball much and still really liked it.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8128188/

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  • jason voorhees
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    It's kind of weird/interesting that it's now Big 2 instead Big 3, and will essentially be NBA Jam come to life.

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  • caja-dglh
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    I already thought it was a thing - my nephew got a Durant OKC jersey when he was 14 when everything else he owned was Indiana Pacers related (and still is).

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  • ursus arctos
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    They are why I said "more"

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  • Incandenza
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    You are obviously unfamiliar with the LeBron fans that instantly became Laker fans last summer. It's true you don't see it with other players to that extent, but it does happen.

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  • ursus arctos
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    I do wonder whether we will start to see more younger fans support individuals rather than clubs, much in the way that "CR7" and Mendes have created a legion ready to change allegiances overnight.

    Both the dramatic rise in "player power" and the ubiquity of access to "content" from the entire league certainly make the ground for that kind of thing much more fertile than it was when I was growing up.

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  • Incandenza
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    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post
    Yeah, I looked it up. Inglewood, which is near the new NFL stadium, I think. Not sure how far away from the Staples Center (is it called that still?) that is.
    About 15 miles away from each other. The potential Clippers arena in Inglewood was challenged by the owners of the Forum because that is now exclusively a concert arena and they say that a new NBA arena would take away revenue from them if they hold concerts there. Not sure what the status of any of that is.

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  • Flynnie
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    Heh, you may need to specify which Kings in LA. The Sacramento Kings were all set to move to the Arrowhead Pond or whatever the hockey arena in Anaheim is called, but Sactown, probably realizing they'd never get a team again unless they were completely ripped off for the privilege* and with an ex-NBA All Star for a mayor, decided to throw them a shitload of money to stay. Which they did eventually: the Maloofs were widely believed to be broke after the Palms casino went belly up and basically shopped the team to anybody who would relocate them, but Sac kept showing that there were Californian investors who wanted to keep the team in Sac so David Stern kept putting the kibosh on a sale/move.

    * honestly, this is probably the most justifiable reason to use public money on a stadium. If you're a small market team - big markets have way more leverage - take the bad deal now and keep the team instead of watching them go on a point of principle, which will last as long as you remain ignorant of the votes to be had from the Sports Fan Bloc (or until you lose the election to someone who isn't ignorant of that constituency).Sac paid $223 million for a new arena with the Kings picking up the rest to a total of $550 million. To have any chance of landing a relocated team, they'd have probably had to pay for the entire arena. DC had to to get baseball back. It's the Quebec theory: building a new arena for the Nordiques in the mid-90s and bridging the stadium funding gap for the Expos would have cost far less than what the province kicked out just for a new hockey arena in Quebec City that still has no Nordiques.

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  • Hot Pepsi
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    Yeah, I looked it up. Inglewood, which is near the new NFL stadium, I think. Not sure how far away from the Staples Center (is it called that still?) that is.

    There was talk about an arena in Anaheim for the Kings, but that didnít happen. Not sure if thatís still an option.

    Or maybe he really just wants to just move them to Seattle.

    http://www.nba.com/article/2019/02/2...g-stadium-push

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  • Hot Pepsi
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    Popularity matters somewhat. The whole reason they want to be in LA is to take advantage of the off-the-court commercial and social opportunities. In Cleveland or Milwaukee, being an NBA player makes you the most famous and beloved person almost everywhere you go. But in LA, thereís a pecking order of celebrities and the Clippers have not, historically, been close to the top of that heap. So theyíll have to win over fans and the media to make the most out of their time there.

    I think I read that Ballmer is trying to build a new arena. Not sure where, though.

    Iíd think they should change their name too, but it doesnít look like they want to do that.

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  • Incandenza
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    Originally posted by Cesar Rodriguez View Post

    I'm sure the Lakers will continue to remain the most popular team in LA for the foreseeable future but I'm not sure team popularity is really high on the priority list of modern day NBA stars when it comes to choosing where to play.
    Kawhi may not get the same reception, but Paul George will be booed when showed on the Jumbotron at Dodger Stadium just as bad as Chris Paul was.

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  • Cesar Rodriguez
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    Exactly right and of course he was able to purchase the team because Sterling was forced to sell because he was racist - and caught red handed as his girlfriend recorded him saying racist stuff about Magic Johnson.

    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post
    Itís dumb to have two teams in the same building, but this obviously lights a fire under the Lakers to get their act together lest they risk becoming the second most popular team in their market. It would take a generation, but it could happen.
    I'm sure the Lakers will continue to remain the most popular team in LA for the foreseeable future but I'm not sure team popularity is really high on the priority list of modern day NBA stars when it comes to choosing where to play.

    I think the quality of ownership and front office, teammates who are actually mates (the institutionalization of players recruiting one another, the banana boat crew) and the degree to which they control their situation is more important to todays NBA stars than playing for the Lakers, Knicks or Celtics.

    It is an era of unprecedented player power.

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  • ursus arctos
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    Yes.

    Steve Ballmer, Gates' former number two, paid around USD 2 billion for the club a few years ago.

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  • Janik
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    Originally posted by Cesar Rodriguez View Post
    And in the end Kawhi engineered the move that he is reputed to have wanted all along, back to LA, to the Clippers. With Paul George in tow.

    Love how this club was counted out after CP3 left but they have remained playoff-competitive and a destination for free agents.
    It's Microsoft money behind that club, isn't it?

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  • Hot Pepsi
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    Itís dumb to have two teams in the same building, but this obviously lights a fire under the Lakers to get their act together lest they risk becoming the second most popular team in their market. It would take a generation, but it could happen.

    This is why another NHL team in Southern Ontario would actually be good for Leafs fans. (Same with the Habs and a possible Nordiques 2.0) Not so much for the Leafs as a for-profit business, of course.

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  • Incandenza
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    The Lakers could have brought Jerry West back. He's said he wanted to work for them again. But not, not a decision they wanted to make. Fuck them.

    What's really crazy is that Kawhi's decision seems to have been made way before the start of free agency, he was just trying to get the second max player to join him. According to Ramona Shelburne of ESPN, he was recruiting Durant at first. Then he went to Paul George, then it was the Clippers and OKC working out the deal while everyone thought that Kawhi was still making up his mind. Much respect to the Clippers front office for not being a leakfest like the Lakers' is.

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  • ursus arctos
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    Yup, agree with all that.

    And I guess the Clippers can take the week of the draft off for the next four years.

    I don't think that it will happen, but a Clippers - Nets Finals would Drive the narrative boys wild.

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