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    Worth repeating - "Massive, massive result for Bangladesh. They have been ruthless in this chase. Not many people bank on Bangladesh being ruthless in a chase - or, more to the point, be ruthless right through to the end. But this is a statement. They've won with 51 balls to spare chasing their highest ever total in an ODI. they've done it with seven wickets in hand. They've done it against exclusively short-pitched bowling. And they've done it in a World Cup."

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      So which kind of ball is most likely to bounce up and hit a batter in the face if it's not a spinner?
      As Zeb said, a ball that is literally called a bouncer. A fast delivery aimed to pitch far enough in front of the batsman so that it can rise up to head level or above.

      Spinners are all about rotations on the ball. It isn't being delivered fast enough to get that kind of bounce.

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        Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post
        What was the rain rule then?
        The most infamous incident of the 1992 rain rule was in the England-South Africa Semi-Final. From memory, it was nearly at the end of a full length game. South Africa needed 15 of the last two overs plus a ball to win, which was a shade in the batting side's favour then (it would be heavily so nowadays). But then the drizzling rain got heavier and the umpires took the teams briefly off the field, to South Africa's disgust and England's delight. One over was deducted from the South African innings, and by rule their target was adjusted downwards by the amount England had scored in their least productive over - 0 runs! So 15 from 13 balls became 15 from 7. Again, nowadays that would only be marginally in the bowling side's favour, but then it nearly decided the match. Ensuing arguments took a few minutes, but these were worse than futile - it meant play was not underway and another over was taken off the chase. England's second least productive over also realised... zero runs. So suddenly the target was a literally impossible 15 from 1 ball rather than a very gettable 15 from 13. An England bowled chugged in a "half rat pace" according to the radio, sent it limply down, the South African batsman blocked it in disgust, England went through to the final (where they would lose to Pakistan) and the search for a better rule began immediately.

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          fantastic performance! I didn't expect much from Liton, what a crucial hand he played.

          HP, I believe these days wicket keepers have to wear helmets. spin bowling, when they are standing over the stumps, can be particularly risky, as the ball and also the bails can fly up into the eyes in completely unpredictable manner. there were some high profile and career ending injuries.

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            Curtly Ambrose on TMS described that as "a total annihilation", which I can report sounds totally amazing the way he says it.

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              Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post

              As Zeb said, a ball that is literally called a bouncer. A fast delivery aimed to pitch far enough in front of the batsman so that it can rise up to head level or above.

              Spinners are all about rotations on the ball. It isn't being delivered fast enough to get that kind of bounce.
              So it can't skip up off the bat and into one's face?

              In baseball, unless the pitcher was a knuckleballer, you could never feel comfortable that they couldn't plunk you, even if the pitcher was known for their movement rather than velocity.

               

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                Not with any real pace on it.

                When I started Little League, we didn't wear helmets in practice.

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                  Bangladesh move up to 5th. India and NZ can go through the whole group unbeaten because their match was a wash-out. England could fall apart against the big sides and end up with 4 defeats but still go through.

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                    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post

                    So it can't skip up off the bat and into one's face?

                    In baseball, unless the pitcher was a knuckleballer, you could never feel comfortable that they couldn't plunk you, even if the pitcher was known for their movement rather than velocity.
                    The ECB mandates that all England players and County players wear a helmet at all times when batting or keeping wicket. They don't have the option to take it off for spin.
                    Last edited by Kevin S; 17-06-2019, 22:13.

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                      Originally posted by Janik View Post
                      The most infamous incident of the 1992 rain rule was in the England-South Africa Semi-Final. From memory, it was nearly at the end of a full length game. South Africa needed 15 of the last two overs plus a ball to win, which was a shade in the batting side's favour then (it would be heavily so nowadays). But then the drizzling rain got heavier and the umpires took the teams briefly off the field, to South Africa's disgust and England's delight. One over was deducted from the South African innings, and by rule their target was adjusted downwards by the amount England had scored in their least productive over - 0 runs! So 15 from 13 balls became 15 from 7. Again, nowadays that would only be marginally in the bowling side's favour, but then it nearly decided the match. Ensuing arguments took a few minutes, but these were worse than futile - it meant play was not underway and another over was taken off the chase. England's second least productive over also realised... zero runs. So suddenly the target was a literally impossible 15 from 1 ball rather than a very gettable 15 from 13. An England bowled chugged in a "half rat pace" according to the radio, sent it limply down, the South African batsman blocked it in disgust, England went through to the final (where they would lose to Pakistan) and the search for a better rule began immediately.
                      It was actually 22 runs required from that last two overs and one ball when the shower came, but the strict time rules meant that those overs had to be lost.



                      While much is made of South Africa being robbed of a position where they had a good chance of winning to making it an impossibility (though 22 from 13 back then was in no way as easy to get as it's considered to be nowadays), not much is ever mentioned of the fact that England were also affected by rain in that game. England made 252 for 6 but they lost five overs during the course of their innings, and it's fair to assume that had they known that from the start they may well have adjusted their approach accordingly, maybe accelerating the run rate at a different stage, taken a few more risks.

                      While that rain rule was indeed a bit of a farce, South Africa weren't as hard done by as the history books would have us all believe.

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                        The Williamson account I linked above has a somewhat different take of the reduction to 22 off 1

                        The rain soon stopped and the total time lost was 12 minutes. It was announced that one over had been deducted and so South Africa's new target was 22 off seven balls. The news did not go down well with the 35,000 crowd and they reacted furiously, jeering and throwing rubbish onto the outfield.

                        The reality was even grimmer. The announcement of the six-ball reduction was incorrect. The Channel Nine commentators had been told of it by Allan Jordan, South Africa's manager, and in turn that was conveyed to the crowd over the PA. The ludicrousness was compounded when it was subsequently decided that the target was actually 21 as a leg-bye in one of the maidens had been overlooked.

                        The farce was still not over, however. The players trooped back to the middle unaware, like the crowd, that a second over had been deducted, and therefore only one ball remained. The players were then told, and the crowd looked on bemused as a scowling McMillan ambled a single and set off for the pavilion looking as furious as England - deserved victors, if truth be told - were embarrassed. A look at the scoreboard - which by then had been amended - led to more booing as reality dawned.

                        As if that wasn't bad enough, the scheduled finish time was 10.10 pm. The scoreboard clock was displaying 10.08pm. What's more, the competition rules had allowed for a reserve day but the host broadcaster, Channel Nine, had insisted the match be finished on the scheduled day.

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                            Nice of Vince to play his traditional innings featuring some delightful shots and then getting out for 26.

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                              He also has a host of football ones.

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                                Brutal stuff from Morgan.

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                                  His last eight balls - 6, 2, 6, 6, 4, 1, 6, 6

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                                    17 sixes - out for 148 off 71. England currently 359-4 off 47

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                                      Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                                      He also has a host of football ones.
                                      Ha, sorry, I deleted the cricket one as on reflection I didn't think it was funny enough!

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                                        The only sport left in this match is if Afghanistan manage to beat Morgan's score?
                                        Last edited by Ray de Galles; 18-06-2019, 12:55.

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                                          Ooo, England collapsing...

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                                            Afghani danger man Rashid finished 9-0-110-0, the worst World Cup figures ever.

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                                              Morgan the first player ever to score a century in sixes (17) in a ODI.

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                                                NZ still available at 8-1 in what is now almost certainly just a four-horse race between fairly evenly matched teams (when at their best, which is admittedly more likely to occur with England and India due to less reliance on two or three key players).

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                                                  Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
                                                  The only sport left in this match is if Afghanistan manage to beat Morgan's score?
                                                  Phew!



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                                                    And quite easily.

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