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  • ursus arctos
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    I hadn't heard that, but it is a rather obvious strategy if the underlying theory is true

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  • ad hoc
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    Wasnt there a suggestion a while back (in tests, not in the WC) that Kohli (I think) had decided that umpires gave the batsman the benefit of the doubt when there was no review left, so he burned through India's fairly quickly?

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  • ursus arctos
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    I have heard a suggestion that Dharmesana was unsure from the off, but as he thought that England had a review, decided to call him out in the "knowledge" that he would be reversed if he was wrong.

    I have no idea of that was in fact the case, but it does raise an interesting question as to have the current availability of reviews may condition umpires' decisions in edge cases.

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  • all new noj
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    There's a few things at play here I think. The consequence of no cricket on FTA TV has definitely hurt the game in terms of participation levels at older and adult levels, in my view. The ECB junior cricket schemes have done very well and bring loads in to cricket clubs, but around here at least (Leics/Derbys) there's then a big drop off when kids go to secondary schools and the game turns into hardball complete with pads, helmets etc. The game does seem to be flourishing in south Cambs and north Herts (I see Reed and Foxton are drawn in the quarters, btw) but I would be interested to know how it's doing at club level in the Lancs and Yorks leagues.

    On Roy, I too am quite surprised there wasn't more of a reaction. It was a shocker from Dharmesana, compounded by him also not realising the review had already gone and his half wide/half out decision. But, having said all that, I don't remember a batsman behaving like that in a long time.

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  • Janik
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    Originally posted by Kevin S View Post
    Cheers Janik, I just copied off the website so missed those ones from other counties. You might be right that the local scene here is also not typical; we are blessed and cursed with a lot of flat open spaces!
    Speak for yourself. We are on the edge of the Chilterns here, mate. We've got hills and everything down here south of the border. See this stage map - some short but sharp changes in elevation between Barkway and Therfield Heath, which is the area local to me.

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  • jwdd27
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    The Facebook feed of a couple of my friends is full of the wicket-taking, run scoring exploits of their boys, who definitely play a lot of cricket. They don't go to fee paying schools, and Scunthorpe is not in the home counties.

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  • Kevin S
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    Cheers Janik, I just copied off the website so missed those ones from other counties. You might be right that the local scene here is also not typical; we are blessed and cursed with a lot of flat open spaces!

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  • Janik
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    Kev, Reed are also a Hertfordshire team. And Cokenach. Which is where Royston play their home games these days, IIRC. Royston's venue actually in Royston was on Therfield Heath, which had had over 200 years of cricket playing history until it was abandoned a few years back due to escalating costs and complete lack of interest from those running the clubhouse.

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  • Janik
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    I wonder if the view from the Cambridge area might be distorted, as the village game is clearly strong around here. Two different clubs within 10 miles of each other (Foxton and Reed) have been in the National Village Final inside the last 10 years. Both won through their county sections again this year and are into the national rounds. I doubt the kids stop playing at secondary age in those villages. In fact, I know they don't - the Reed team that won the Cup in 2012 had a number of local teenagers in their XI (many of the same players, now in their 20s, were still there when they won it again in 2017). However the play is through the clubs, rather than via school teams.

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  • Kevin S
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    Well said, have a like.

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  • tee rex
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    Jason Roy has got off very lightly for his behaviour yesterday. It wasn't just showing dissent, which is usually standing for a few seconds and muttering a few words, then trudging back slowly. It was a full-on mutiny.

    I realize it's another step on my road to fuddy-duddy land, but 20 or 30 years ago an England batsman acting like that would have been slammed in the media. Old CMJ would have been demanding his head. I don't think he should be banned for the final, that's an unfair team punishment, but he deserves a stronger reaction than hero-worship, which basically tells him he can do it again (the fine is meaningless).

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  • Kevin S
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    Yeah, they've got teams at U11, U13 and U15 as well.

    The U15 league for the county contains these clubs:

    Burwell & Exning CC
    Cambridge St. Giles CC
    Chatteris CC
    City of Cambridge CC
    City of Ely CC
    Cottenham CC
    Foxton CC
    Great Shelford CC
    Haverhill CC
    Histon CC
    Linton Village CC
    Longstanton Grasshoppers CC
    March Town CC
    Mildenhall CC (Suffolk)
    Over CC
    Royston CC (Herts)
    Saffron Walden CC (2 teams) (Essex)
    Thriplow CC
    Worlington CC


    The U13 league is actually bigger.

    Burwell & Exning CC
    Cambourne CC
    Cambridge St. Giles CC (2 teams)
    Chatteris CC
    City of Cambridge CC (2 teams)
    City of Ely CC
    Cokenach CC
    Coton CC
    Cottenham CC
    Downham Town CC (Norfolk)
    Foxton CC, Cambs
    Great Shelford CC
    Histon CC
    Longstanton Grasshoppers CC
    March Town CC
    Mildenhall CC (Suffolk)
    Reed CC
    Royston CC (Herts)
    Saffron Walden CC (3 teams) (Essex)
    Sawston and Babraham CC
    Thriplow CC (3 teams)
    Weston Colville CC
    Wisbech Town CC
    Worlington CC

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Originally posted by Ad Hoc
    I think that sounds like a city based view of things, it seems to me that in rural England cricket is as popular as ever, and young people are taking it up to no lesser degree than they did before
    It's a mix of anecdotage/ observation and media coverage. I don't hear anyone (even administrators/ marketeers with product to sell) challenging the assumed trend. I l ive on the Black Country/ Worcestershire & Staffordshire border, the latter is as suburban (hardly rural) as Cambridge/ North Essex.

    Originally posted by Kevin S
    Yeah, the grassroots scene is improving again, at least round our way. The mailing list for parents with children aged 5 to 9 at our local CC has over 70 people on it. Tends to be a good 30 children turning up every Sunday morning
    That's welcome, but I was thinking of secondary age kids who can't play in school

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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    There must be decreasing places to actually play the game, too. Not just because of development taking parks away, but the indirect effect of inner cities becoming so overcrowded now that I can only imagine the reaction if a gang of kids turned up in a park on a sunny day now and tried to start a game of cricket.

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  • Flynnie
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    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
    Is that true though? I think that sounds like a city based view of things, it seems to me that in rural England cricket is as popular as ever, and young people are taking it up to no lesser degree than they did before. Obviously I don't live there, but family members living in villages/small towns would suggest that things are as vibrant as ever (although the lack of regular TV coverage of the game has had an undeniable effect)
    91% of the United Kingdom lives in urban areas, though.

    I mean, I think there's something to be said about areas Not London being more interested in cricket than London, where you frankly wouldn't know a World Cup was happening*, but rural English cricket thriving only plugs up one of the many holes in SS English Cricket.

    *I also wonder if this portends poorly for Anglo-Asian cricket. The West Indian community of London is lost to cricket now. I don't know how much of that is due to the West Indies being poor, it can't be helping, but you get the sense that cricket is below basketball in sports they care about now.

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  • Tony C
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    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
    Is that true though? I think that sounds like a city based view of things, it seems to me that in rural England cricket is as popular as ever, and young people are taking it up to no lesser degree than they did before. Obviously I don't live there, but family members living in villages/small towns would suggest that things are as vibrant as ever (although the lack of regular TV coverage of the game has had an undeniable effect)
    Agreed. As an urban type now living and teaching in a rural environment I do notice that cricket has a more elevated profile on the P.E curriculum than I had anticipated. A real keeness with girls' cricket, too, which is encouraging.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
    Is that true though? I think that sounds like a city based view of things, it seems to me that in rural England cricket is as popular as ever, and young people are taking it up to no lesser degree than they did before. Obviously I don't live there, but family members living in villages/small towns would suggest that things are as vibrant as ever (although the lack of regular TV coverage of the game has had an undeniable effect)
    Surely the pronounced shift from rural to urban living is going to mean youth participation is still declining though.

    I don't know if DG's overall contention is true but anecdotally it seems accurate to me, even in the cricket heartland of Surrey that I live in. The sport is healthy but a lot of that is based on private school children and those of Anglo-Asian heritage.

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  • Kevin S
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    Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
    Is that true though? I think that sounds like a city based view of things, it seems to me that in rural England cricket is as popular as ever, and young people are taking it up to no lesser degree than they did before. Obviously I don't live there, but family members living in villages/small towns would suggest that things are as vibrant as ever (although the lack of regular TV coverage of the game has had an undeniable effect)
    Yeah, the grassroots scene is improving again, at least round our way. The mailing list for parents with children aged 5 to 9 at our local CC has over 70 people on it. Tends to be a good 30 children turning up every Sunday morning.

    YMMV

    Last edited by Kevin S; 12-07-2019, 08:48.

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  • HORN
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    Originally posted by Kevin S View Post
    Unlike a football World Cup, this one can point to league position and head to head results between the semi finalists. In this case both give the same answer - India 3rd, Australia 4th.
    I wasn't being serious, Kevin. Though now I'm imagining a hastily arranged third place playoff simply to settle a heated dispute between Kholi and Finch that was threatening to get out of control.

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  • ad hoc
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    Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post

    A national sport increasingly limited to private schools and the Asian background community is a problem
    Is that true though? I think that sounds like a city based view of things, it seems to me that in rural England cricket is as popular as ever, and young people are taking it up to no lesser degree than they did before. Obviously I don't live there, but family members living in villages/small towns would suggest that things are as vibrant as ever (although the lack of regular TV coverage of the game has had an undeniable effect)

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  • Janik
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  • Duncan Gardner
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    @Sporting.His mother didn't play 23 senior internationals for Ireland

    I didn't know he was dual-nationality, thanks for that
    Last edited by Duncan Gardner; 12-07-2019, 07:53.

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  • Kevin S
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    Unlike a football World Cup, this one can point to league position and head to head results between the semi finalists. In this case both give the same answer - India 3rd, Australia 4th.

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  • Sporting
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    Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post

    Apart from the pisstake, Morgan particularly is recognised as a ringer/ mercenary who moved to England as an adult. A national sport increasingly limited to private schools and the Asian background community is a problem and the reliance on ringers a consequence of it.
    Morgan's mother is English.

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  • Duncan Gardner
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    Originally posted by HORN View Post
    No third place play-off?

    When are these people going to learn from football?
    See above. That wab Kohli says he wants a whole elaborate structure of play offs lasting nearly as long as the bastard group stage

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