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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    Stockdale's defence was something else. In real time it was amazing.

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  • ursus arctos
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    The way in which the entire matter is being treated, with no detailed explanation of the breaches or the remedies, is anything but transparent and extremely enervating.

    If the reports that the violations primarily involved co-investments by Wray in players' personal business vehicles are true, the unwinding of those arrangements is far from trivial.

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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    Bit like Man City's title in 2014, sticks in the craw that they're allowed to keep the last two Premierships. Although admittedly retrospectively awarding medals/titles does seem a bit of a pointless exercise too, and one that always comes with a mental asterisk. I still look at lists that say Carl Lewis won the 100m in 1987 and 1988 and think "no, he didn't".

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  • Ray de Galles
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    I watched Gloucester v Toulouse and Northampton v Lyon over the weekend. Toulouse came back from 20-9 down at half time (a lead the home side barely merited) to strangle Glaws in the second half and win very impressively 20-25. Lyon didn't turn up for the first half and were 19-0 down at the break, recovering slightly to 25-14 at full time.

    I saw little bits of Bath v Ulster which was largely a terrible scrappy game that Bath should have won in the final phase, I'm still not sure if this is great defence from Stockdale or a terrible butchering of a try from Bath :

    https://twitter.com/btsportrugby/status/1195718174123184129?s=20

    This was probably the best individual skill of the weekend, I've seen Ibitoye compared to a gridiron running back fro his set up :

    https://twitter.com/btsportrugby/status/1195784199992729600?s=20

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Premiership champions Saracens have confirmed they will not be contesting their points deduction and fine for breaching the league's salary cap.

    Still interested in if and how they can work within the salary cap this season though.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    I would say so. I hope it goes well, we need a strong Romanian side again.

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  • ad hoc
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    Ta. So he's a fairly big name (for Romania) then.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Robinson's a former coach of Bath, England, Edinburgh, Scotland and Bristol.

    He struggled in both of his previous international jobs (and had some bad luck too) and appears to have been out of work for two or three years. Interesting choice for Romania though.

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  • ad hoc
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    An English bloke called Andy Robinson has just been named coach of the Romanian national team. My knowledge of RU is so scant that his nationality is all I know (and that only because it was in the tweet I got it from). But anyway. Good luck to him

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  • Ray de Galles
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    2003 certainly improved on 1999 but you have to look at the massive jumps in revenue that were made in 2007 and 2015 to get an idea of quite how much of a money-spinner a European RWC is.

    I heard some very impressive figures for this year's tournament being bandied about by some World Rugby people when I met them in Japan but I'd be surprised if they match 2015 or what 2023 will likely bring.

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  • Flynnie
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    Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
    Following the money normally means a European RWC, specifically in France, England or Wales (with those three, Ireland and Scotland often pitching in to stage occasional games when the others are main host) which alternate with southern hemisphere tournaments and/or the opportunity to (re-)open markets like South Africa and Japan.

    Japan certainly made tons of money too, like you I can't see the USA (or even Australia) necessarily matching it, though both would be great hosts.
    Australia probably would, the 2003 Rugby World Cup smashed the 1999 Rugby World Cup in terms of revenues. You're talking a country with a shedload of new and improved stadiums as well, so gate receipts would go way up on 2003 (eg Adelaide Oval now vs then, Optus Oval in Perth vs Subiaco).

    The USA hosting in 2031 is a real stretch though. I just can't see the enthusiasm for rugby there. We're still a country where five figure crowds for the Eagles are a pleasant surprise.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    The European competitions all start this weekend, tonight in fact. C4 and S4C will continue to televise one game a round as well as all those on BT.

    It always seems a bit "after the Lord Mayor's show" when the tournament starts so soon after the world cup (and many of the players from the RWC won't yet be turning out for their clubs) but once the games start it's usually enthralling.

    There's also the Baa-Baas v Fiji at Twickenham tomorrow, which will be live on the BBC.
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 15-11-2019, 12:46.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Following the money normally means a European RWC, specifically in France, England or Wales (with those three, Ireland and Scotland often pitching in to stage occasional games when the others are main host) which alternate with southern hemisphere tournaments and/or the opportunity to (re-)open markets like South Africa and Japan.

    Japan certainly made tons of money too, like you I can't see the USA (or even Australia) necessarily matching it, though both would be great hosts.
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 12-11-2019, 13:37.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
    England to tour Japan in 2020, which is excellent news.

    Speculation that Australia will look to host the World Cup in 2027, with USA looking at 2031. We've never had two consecutive non-European RWCs, have we?
    I guess they're following the money, and it depends on whether the European bidder(s) can come up with more cash. I'd be amazed if the USA ever became as good as Japan, though, due to NFL and the culture it creates at all tiers. And, unlike USA 94, there's no US-Latino rugby demographic AFAIK.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Foxy out for the 6N, fuck.

    I've decided to go to Wales v Barbarians at the end of the month. I quite fancy supporting Pivac's debut (with what will be a massively patched up side shorn of injured and English-based players) and Gatland's coaching of the Baa-Baas will give me the farewell to him I was cruelly denied when we didn't reach the final.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Remarkable comeback from Bristol away to Exeter earlier. After being 17-0 down at half time, they came back to win 17-20 with an injury time try after Exeter's continued infringements allowed them to kick penalties to touch and drive forward from line outs. It puts them top of the nascent Premiership table.

    Did they spend quite a bit of money in the summer? I notice they've taken Nathan Hughes from Franchise RFC.

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  • Simon G
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    I'll mention it to the season-ticket holder who sits opposite me now,

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by Simon G View Post
    Gloucester have decided to stop selling Wolfpack Lager at Kingsholm because of it being owned by two former Saracens players.

    Can't help but think that's a bit petty - but it's the sort of pettiness I can get behind.
    If the Glaws fans don't have a banner based on Clough's Leeds/medals quote this weekend I'll be very disappointed.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    England to tour Japan in 2020, which is excellent news.

    Speculation that Australia will look to host the World Cup in 2027, with USA looking at 2031. We've never had two consecutive non-European RWCs, have we?

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  • Simon G
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    Gloucester have decided to stop selling Wolfpack Lager at Kingsholm because of it being owned by two former Saracens players.

    Can't help but think that's a bit petty - but it's the sort of pettiness I can get behind.

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  • Patrick Thistle
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    Shamateurism occurred to me yesterday when listening to a discussion about it on Radio 5. They had someone on from Harlequins talking about Bloodgate who reckoned this was a much bigger scandal.

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  • ursus arctos
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    It took me three tries. Knowing that one read it in article about this on the Guardian isn't that helpful at the moment.

    This one, for future reference.

    It is precisely the sport's deep tradition of shamateurism that led them to adopt such a broad definition when they decided to institute a meaningful cap.
    Last edited by ursus arctos; 07-11-2019, 15:09.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Ah, I must have seen it there but couldn't relocate it, thanks.

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  • ursus arctos
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    It was from one of Conn's pieces

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  • Ray de Galles
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    This isn't about the ERFU (the rules are set by the English Premiership itself) and it's not about "payments made to the players' promotional companies".

    It's about co-investment by Saracens in players businesses outside of rugby and, as far as at least one article I've read this week (but now can't find) states, they define any payment to player as salary in a broad catch-all definition.


    Edit - cross-post with UA where he has the quote about the broad definition of payment. Where was that, out of interest, UA?
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 07-11-2019, 14:32.

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