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  • johnr
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    Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View Post
    Does the team kicking off have to indicate to their opponents broadly where they're going to kick it, or was that just a protocol my old games teacher made us follow? It usually seems to be the case that both sides line up on one side of the pitch, and that's where the kick goes. Do/can teams employ a sneaky kick to the "unexpected" side?
    In one of the games (v Ireland?), Japan started by lining up as expected - out on the wing - but then just kicked the ball forward on the floor ten yards. Gained a good surprise advantage.

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  • ursus arctos
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    I have a vague recollection that not doing so was part of his deal with Clermont as well

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post

    Does anyone know why Fritz Lee doesn't play for Samoa?
    I presume his handful of appearances for NZ in Sevens rules it out.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Cardiff winger Owen Lane is Navidi's replacement. Scott Williams not considered as proven fit enough, I presume.

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
    Did I miss the news that Andy Farrell was stepping up to succeed Joe Schmidt or just forget about it? It vaguely crossed my mind that I didn't know who the new head coach was going to be when there was the fuss about Schmidt's final game on Saturday.

    I only realised when I saw this article on twitter about the new regime which, depressingly, highlights FIVE southern hemisphere players in their late twenties Ireland are seemingly waiting on to qualify.
    You must have missed it, cannot remember when it was announced but the aspect of him and his son coming head to head was the theme for many articles. Lazy journalism.

    As for those players I always thought Lowes and Gibson-Park had won caps and weren't eligible but I was wrong. Ireland seem to be doing this a lot recently.

    We've only realistically got Johnny McNichol in the pipeline and Scotland continue with kilted kiwis rather than residency qualified players.

    This really needs to be sorted out asap along with an international rugby calendar. Pichot clearly wants to do both.

    I'd also like to see an amnesty to allow tier one players return to play for the real countries along with a proper set of fixtures that see the Top 14, PRO14 and the English top flight shut down for a month to allow the best players to play international rugby.

    Does anyone know why Fritz Lee doesn't play for Samoa?

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  • ursus arctos
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    I was wondering the same thing, but believe that it was announced a while ago.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Did I miss the news that Andy Farrell was stepping up to succeed Joe Schmidt or just forget about it? It vaguely crossed my mind that I didn't know who the new head coach was going to be when there was the fuss about Schmidt's final game on Saturday.

    I only realised when I saw this article on twitter about the new regime which, depressingly, highlights FIVE southern hemisphere players in their late twenties Ireland are seemingly waiting on to qualify.

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  • Etienne
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    I guess it's more risky because if you kick to the lesser populated side you have much less defensive cover if they run back at you.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Yes they can, Sexton used to do a lot of that as I recall.

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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    Does the team kicking off have to indicate to their opponents broadly where they're going to kick it, or was that just a protocol my old games teacher made us follow? It usually seems to be the case that both sides line up on one side of the pitch, and that's where the kick goes. Do/can teams employ a sneaky kick to the "unexpected" side?

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post

    Oh. That isn’t at all clear in any of the rules I’ve read. I thought the scoring team usually got the ball back but wasn’t sure.
    It's an oddity of rugby and significantly increases how important momentum is in the game. You let in 3, 5 or 7 points and then usually give the ball back to your opponent.

    It is reversed in Sevens where the team that scores has to take the restart kick.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    It was, amazing that they can exclude the pivotal moment of the match!

    Navidi is out of the tournament and it looks like we will call up a back to replace him, Scott Williams at centre seems the most likely with our paucity of options there.
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 21-10-2019, 10:39.

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  • jefe
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    Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
    Peyper misses a neck hold and an elbow right in front of him.
    If this was describing what got France a red card, thank you, because NBC's 15 minutes of highlights didn't bother including it.

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  • Hot Pepsi
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    Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post

    As tee rex alludes to, the opposition get the ball after conceding but have to kick it at least ten metres forward at the restart which usually results in the team who just scored regaining possession.
    Oh. That isn’t at all clear in any of the rules I’ve read. I thought the scoring team usually got the ball back but wasn’t sure.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post

    But if you score the penalty, the other team gets it at midfield, right? So you’re giving up potentially 4 pts and the ball, right?
    As tee rex alludes to, the opposition get the ball after conceding but have to kick it at least ten metres forward at the restart which usually results in the team who just scored regaining possession.

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  • tee rex
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    HP, one of the changes in the game with professionalism, greater fitness etc (at the top level anyway) is that teams are more likely to turn down a shot at goal and back themselves to turn 3 points into 7. I don't have stats on that, it's a "reckon" based on the number of times I shout "Take the three, you fools" at the TV. They ignore my advice and are often vindicated.

    You would also back yourselves to reclaim the ball at the restart, which receiving teams usually do.

    (restarts being illegal as often as not, with players encroaching, cue more shouting from me, at the ref this time)

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  • Hot Pepsi
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    Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post

    It depends where you are on the clock, what the score is at that time and how likely you are to score a try from a set piece. If it's early on in the game and you can chip away at a losing margin (or build up a winning one) while still (usually) getting the ball back from the restart it's often worth it. Especially if you've been bashing away at an obdurate defence for quite a few phases without breaking through.

    The phrase "keep the scoreboard ticking over" is a well worn rugby cliche but, like many cliches, it has quite a lot of truth in it. Teams frequently win games while being outscored on tries (Wales did against Australia in the pool stage) too.
    But if you score the penalty, the other team gets it at midfield, right? So you’re giving up potentially 4 pts and the ball, right?

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by G-Man View Post
    I don't think South Africa are that much favourites to beat Wales. On their day, SA can beat anybody, but on another day, almost anybody can beat them. And if they are as butter-fingered against Wales as they were against Japan, and if Faf de Klerk keeps kicking away possession, Wales are in with a shout.
    I thought de Klerk's kicking game was great. I'm not a fan of repeated box kicking generally but his were perfectly placed to turn the Japanese and/or roll in to touch deep in their territory.

    Le Roux and Pollard's tactical kicking, especially the high ball, might not have been so good but, let's face it, when you have a defence like SA's today that can stop even the Japanese attack and you can win the breakdown too you have some latitude.

    SA had more than enough possession to create a vast array of chances - it's just that they butchered as many as they took.
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 20-10-2019, 23:28.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post
    Ok, thanks. I saw in the highlights that Australia chose to take an easy penalty when they were only about 2 meters out and down 14-3. Seems like they should have pressed on and tried for 7.
    It depends where you are on the clock, what the score is at that time and how likely you are to score a try from a set piece. If it's early on in the game and you can chip away at a losing margin (or build up a winning one) while still (usually) getting the ball back from the restart it's often worth it. Especially if you've been bashing away at an obdurate defence for quite a few phases without breaking through.

    The phrase "keep the scoreboard ticking over" is a well worn rugby cliche but, like many cliches, it has quite a lot of truth in it. Teams frequently win games while being outscored on tries (Wales did against Australia in the pool stage) too.

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  • George C.
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    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post
    Who else is in the Pacific Nations? I assume not the South Pacific countries.
    Lots of links via Google and Wiki, unsurprisingly.

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  • G-Man
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    I don't think South Africa are that much favourites to beat Wales. On their day, SA can beat anybody, but on another day, almost anybody can beat them. And if they are as butter-fingered against Wales as they were against Japan, and if Faf de Klerk keeps kicking away possession, Wales are in with a shout.

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  • Hot Pepsi
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    Ok, thanks. I saw in the highlights that Australia chose to take an easy penalty when they were only about 2 meters out and down 14-3. Seems like they should have pressed on and tried for 7.

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  • ooh aah
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    Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post
    I see. Maybe Japan’s success will help them. Or not.


    Another basic question. If a team is given the chance at a penalty kick, do they have to take it or is there some way they can keep the ball. Like if it’s late in the game and a team is down by five and is driving for a try and then is awarded a penalty, is there a way they can keep going for five/seven instead of taking the three which isn’t going to be enough?

    I guess I don’t know what happens after a PK. Is there another kick off?
    Yes, you can take a tap penalty, where you tap it with your foot, then run with the ball. You can also kick the ball to the touchline, but when you do that from a penalty you also get the throw in to the lineout, which usually means you regain possession, but further up the pitch. You can also request a scrum, which is useful if you're close to the try line.

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  • Hot Pepsi
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    I see. Maybe Japan’s success will help them. Or not.


    Another basic question. If a team is given the chance at a penalty kick, do they have to take it or is there some way they can keep the ball. Like if it’s late in the game and a team is down by five and is driving for a try and then is awarded a penalty, is there a way they can keep going for five/seven instead of taking the three which isn’t going to be enough?

    I guess I don’t know what happens after a PK. Is there another kick off?

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    Korea were at their peak in the 1980s, where they won 3 consecutive Asian championships (defeating full-strength Japan squads), and even managed to play a test against the Wallabies. Korea reached the repechage round of qualification for the 1999, 2003, and 2007 Rugby World Cups, being eliminated by Tonga each time. They also failed to qualify for the 2011 Rugby World Cup.

    Korea participated in the 2008 Asian Five Nations, the inaugural Asian Five Nations.
    From Wikipedia. They've got close to qualifying but been beaten in the repechage or by Hong Kong the round before.

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