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  • tee rex
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    First semi then ...

    In 2003 I really wanted England to win it, for reasons that seem unclear now. Maybe it was that sporting failure seemed ingrained (this was before Ashes 2005, and the various gold-greedy Olympics), and the loser-narrative was getting tiresome. But, that was then.

    If Wales can't beat England in the final, or get there (sorry) then the ABs have to win today. England v South Africa is about as romantic as proposing in Stevenage McDonalds.

    But mostly I just hope there isn't one of those "Incidents", so everyone goes on about the colour of a card and ignores the brilliant rugby in the background. You can guarantee that something will be caught on camera (what is in their heads, really? "After 4 years I'd now like me or my team to miss the final, so here's a knee for you").

    Hope: NZ by 20. Expect: England by 4.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Gibraltar's new stadium looks nice :

    https://twitter.com/Rugbydump/status/1187682234125488128?s=20

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  • ooh aah
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    Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View Post
    I do however have a daft question of my own, well not so much a question as a talking point: on the evidence so far, would a Lions side entering this World Cup have won it with ease, or would we still be saying they were neck and neck with the All Blacks and Springboks?
    Well one of the biggest probs for a lions side has always been moulding the team together and establishing patterns of play within a short time. But assuming they had that time they would quite easily overcome the springboks. The Lions did draw a series with NZ fairly recently, and I think that's still a fair reflection of where they would now be.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Does it also mean that fitness tests have to be done earlier: no such thing as a "late fitness test"?

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  • Capybara
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    Ta. I wondered if it might be somehow rooted in the traditions of the game.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by Capybara View Post
    I don't really follow rugby union so apologies if this is a daft question, but why do they announce the team selection so far in advance?
    I've read it's a hangover from the amateur era when players might need to arrange time off work to travel to a fixture. National sides didn't travel with a large extended squad so the 15 definitely involved would need to get the practicalities sorted.

    I think it's also a nod to a supposed certain traditional level of gentlemanly behaviour from coaches, that they would tell their opponent exactly who is playing rather than indulging in the chicanery of guessing games. Though I'm certain there have been teams announced in the recent past where a coach knew full well that he'd actually be changing at least one player in the starting XV claiming they were injured.

    Apparently, while World Rugby rules are that the side has to be announced 48 hrs before kick off, if both teams agree that can be brought down to 12 hours - though it's never been done.

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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    I do however have a daft question of my own, well not so much a question as a talking point: on the evidence so far, would a Lions side entering this World Cup have won it with ease, or would we still be saying they were neck and neck with the All Blacks and Springboks?

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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    Originally posted by Capybara View Post
    I don't really follow rugby union so apologies if this is a daft question, but why do they announce the team selection so far in advance?
    That isn't a daft question at all! I wonder if it's something contractual about the media getting their stories, previews etc right?

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  • Capybara
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    I don't really follow rugby union so apologies if this is a daft question, but why do they announce the team selection so far in advance?

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  • Bordeaux Education
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    Bloody hell, I never quite realised how far Alun Wyn Jones was ahead of the rest as far as caps are concerned.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Foxy fit enough to start (at least for now), Shingler and Watkin on the bench ;

    1. Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (20 Caps)
    2. Ken Owens (Scarlets) (71 Caps)
    3. Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (47 Caps)
    4. Jake Ball (Scarlets) (40 Caps)
    5. Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys) (132 Caps) (CAPT)
    6. Aaron Wainwright (Dragons) (17 Caps)
    7. Justin Tipuric (Ospreys) (70 Caps)
    8. Ross Moriarty (Dragons) (39 Caps)
    9. Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (49 Caps)
    10. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints) (77 Caps)
    11. Josh Adams (Cardiff Blues) (19 Caps)
    12. Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets) (23 Caps)
    13. Jonathan Davies (Scarlets) (79 Caps)
    14. George North (Ospreys) (90 Caps)
    15. Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets) (84 Caps)

    Replacements:

    16. Elliot Dee (Dragons) (27 Caps)
    17. Rhys Carre (Saracens) (4 Caps)
    18. Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (20 Caps)
    19. Adam Beard (Ospreys) (18 Caps)
    20. Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (24 Caps)
    21. Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (14 Caps)
    22. Rhys Patchell (Scarlets) (17 Caps)
    23. Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (20 Caps)

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  • Bordeaux Education
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    Hard to see what you were getting at there. To be sure, if France had stayed at full-strength, we probably would have lost and I am not sure it would have been that narrow but we are in "If my grandmother had balls, she would've been my grandfather" territory here. I don't give Wales anymore chance of beating the Springboks - especially with the injuries - than England beating the All Blacks but there is a reasonable chance that the former will be a closer loss than the latter. No-one really gives a shit about the 3rd place match but it would be Gatland's last game so would've thought that there may be some impetus for the Welsh squad there but we are into Eddie Jones' shitty cod psychology territory there.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Apologies. I was playing the role of Gonzo for the night :-)

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Ha ha ha, what a pile of absurd trolling nonsense.
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 24-10-2019, 23:31.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Would have been better for the tournament if a full-strength France had gone through than a partial-strength Wales. Would also have avoided Wales (probably) losing to England in the 3rd placed play-off. Wales might look back and wish they'd taken a narrow defeat to France than heavier defeats to the Springboks and English.

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  • Alex Anderson
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    Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post

    I didn't watch the game so don't know the answer - presume they were planning the itinerary for their next fixture at Murrayfield in which for some reason they were to travel by coach and they were trying to decide where to stop for chips on the way back from Edinburgh to Carlisle.
    If I didn't already know how fond you were of a jaunt over the northern border, Walt, that quality pun would reveal all. I'm hearing it in Satnav voice ...

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Patchell covers both fly half and full back still but, yes, we're running out of backs really.

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    Kolbe out for the Springboks.

    Halfpenny is an ok replacement but he's not Liam. If Watkin plays does that mean Owen Lane or Hallam Amos on the bench?

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Liam Williams out for the semi-final. Absolute disaster.

    Looks like no hope of making whichever game we play the following weekend either.
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 24-10-2019, 15:07.

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  • Walt Flanagans Dog
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    Originally posted by Alex Anderson View Post
    I'm still thinking about those growly Gallic shouts of "Biggar!" when Dan was doing his line-cleary thing on Sunday.

    I thought " How weird - that sounds like someone foreign is shouting that Welsh kicking fellah's name". And then the commentator confirmed it was the French players. And why.
    I didn't watch the game so don't know the answer - presume they were planning the itinerary for their next fixture at Murrayfield in which for some reason they were to travel by coach and they were trying to decide where to stop for chips on the way back from Edinburgh to Carlisle.

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  • Flynnie
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    Originally posted by Antepli Ejderha View Post
    This really needs to be sorted out asap along with an international rugby calendar. Pichot clearly wants to do both.
    Of course, it's very much in his self-interest to do so.


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  • Alex Anderson
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    I'm still thinking about those growly Gallic shouts of "Biggar!" when Dan was doing his line-cleary thing on Sunday.

    I thought " How weird - that sounds like someone foreign is shouting that Welsh kicking fellah's name". And then the commentator confirmed it was the French players. And why.

    Nice to know there's still attempts at proper intimidation and menace at what is now, obviously, a mamby-pamby replica of rugby when I were a lad (God, you can't even knock someone's head off their shoulders now without some snowflake insisting they have a wee sit-down and a cuppa. Bless!) ...

    ... and if Bongi Mbonambi was here in this room right now I'd tell him that to his face.

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    Originally posted by tee rex View Post
    The kick-off countdowns, annoying enough in football, are worse in rugby, in part because of the issues mentioned here. You're not just tapping it back to a team-mate, you're trying to execute a planned move with everyone on the same wavelength, and that timing doesn't depend on a silly 3-2-1 chant. Watch the kicker at the start of the game and you'll see how he generally ignores the countdown.

    Also you probably need to see games live to notice the receiving team get ready (the TV angle is too narrow). There's a lot of movement as they get ready to hoist a player up in the air, and respond to a late change of direction.
    There was a brief glimpse on TV of Aaron Wainwright preparing to lift Liam Williams, I'd never seen that before.

    Some sides go with 2 pairs on each side of the pitch and others with a pair and two singles. Like you say TV doesn't show it and it's changed so much since I played and was coached.

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  • Antepli Ejderha
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    Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post

    I presume his handful of appearances for NZ in Sevens rules it out.
    Thanks Ray. I didn't know he'd played Sevens and thought there must be either a clause in his contract or a disagreement. He's some player and I'd love to see him playing at a higher level.

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  • tee rex
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    The kick-off countdowns, annoying enough in football, are worse in rugby, in part because of the issues mentioned here. You're not just tapping it back to a team-mate, you're trying to execute a planned move with everyone on the same wavelength, and that timing doesn't depend on a silly 3-2-1 chant. Watch the kicker at the start of the game and you'll see how he generally ignores the countdown.

    Also you probably need to see games live to notice the receiving team get ready (the TV angle is too narrow). There's a lot of movement as they get ready to hoist a player up in the air, and respond to a late change of direction.

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