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    #26
    Ta.

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      #27
      Yeah, but that wasn't the intention when it was written:

      It has often been presumed that the song refers to Clarksville, Tennessee, which is near Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the home of the 101st Airborne Division, which was then serving in Vietnam. However, according to songwriter Bobby Hart, that was not the case. Instead, according to Hart, "We were just looking for a name that sounded good. There's a little town in northern Arizona I used to go through in the summer on the way to Oak Creek Canyon called Clarkdale. We were throwing out names, and when we got to Clarkdale, we thought Clarksville sounded even better. We didn't know it at the time, [but] there is an Army base near the town of Clarksville, Tennessee — which would have fit the bill fine for the storyline. — Wiki

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        #28
        I was going on what we were told by a music teacher at the time, but I read that as the songwriter saying that he did indeed the draft storyline, but wanted a euphonious local (it being obvious that Parris Island, Quantico or Fort Dix wouldn't really work).

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          #29
          I dunno, for me it's at best tenuous:

          Hart: "We couldn't be too direct with The Monkees. We couldn't really make a protest song out of it — we kind of snuck it in."

          Although "Clarksville", a common U.S. place name, is in the song title, the video accompanying the song on the Monkees' TV show showed a sign pointing to "Clarkesville", which is a much more rare spelling now used only for a town in Georgia.

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            #30
            Originally posted by delicatemoth View Post

            Ah, I didn't know the full thing, all I knew was that it was "about the IRA", which means that I thought "It's gonna happen til you change your mind" referred to bombings rather than hunger strikes and was hence surprisingly aggressive for a pop song.

            On a similar note it slightly surprises me that Dexys were able to get "You know the only way to change things is to shoot men who arrange things" onto TOTP. Maybe they didn't understand Kevin's singing.
            I'd say that the third verse "It's going to happen" is entirely unchanged.

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              #31
              Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View Post
              For everything else, you're on your own...
              Bummer. I was really hoping you'd explain "Oh the snot has caked against my pants."

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                #32
                Originally posted by Jon View Post

                Bummer. I was really hoping you'd explain "Oh the snot has caked against my pants."
                Oh Arthur explained that himself in Love Story. It's very literal. He was seriously stoned and nodded off in a chair. When he came to he realised he'd been drooling and the saliva had crystalised on his jeans.

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                  #33
                  We've all been there.

                  Thanks, amor

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                    #34
                    There are songs in which the lyrics are deliberately meaningless (the crabbalocker fishwife school of lyric writing) or those in which stream-of-consciousness comes into play, as in the Wire song I referenced upthread:

                    "Smith & Wright shoot in from ballistic Berlin
                    Fuelled by the Finnish Rude-boy Engineering Front
                    In plum-black knit love, they officiate
                    Open-plan tendencies, engulf the room
                    Enthusiastically embracing, the ziggurat beat
                    Head locked in gridlock, oozing through Flanders
                    White kicker magic plants poppies of remembrance
                    Popeye remembers a cycloptic monster"


                    I can't find it now, but I think Colin Newman himself sad that these words are little more than Jabberwocky type nonsense. But it's fun nonsense, if you ask me.

                    Then you have lyrlcsts who seem to be teasing and testing you, of whom Mark E Smth was a prime example:

                    Tied up to posts
                    Blindfold so can't feel maintainance
                    Kickback art thou that thick?
                    Death of the dimwits

                    Businessman hits train
                    Businessman hits train
                    His veiled sex seeps through his management sloth
                    The journey takes one hour


                    Is Dylan similarly having fun with the lyric interpreter when he sings:

                    Sad-eyed lady of the lowlands,
                    Where the sad-eyed prophet says that no man comes,
                    My warehouse eyes, my Arabian drums,
                    Should I put them by your gate,
                    Or, sad-eyed lady, should I wait?


                    What are warehouse eyes and what does tied up to posts refer to? Songwriters are usually fairly averse to discussing their own words. (What exceptions are there?) When does imagery become obtuseness/borderline rubbish? I love the two songs from whose lyrics I've quoted above, but wonder if I would enjoy them equally if the lyrics were laid on a plate for me, meaning-wise. And, perhaps strangely, I think not.

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                      #35
                      Originally posted by Sporting View Post
                      My warehouse eyes, my Arabian drums,
                      I always heard it without the comma. So "My warehouse looks at my Arabian drums." Which is equally meaningless of course. Dylan uses 'cut ups' to assemble a fair amount I've heard.
                      Last edited by Amor de Cosmos; 27-09-2020, 18:22.

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                        #36
                        Since when was saliva ‘snot’?

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                          #37
                          Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
                          Since when was saliva ‘snot’?
                          Since Arthur called it that I guess. "The drool has caked upon my pants" doesn't have the same impact I suppose. It's first line just about everyone remembers, which is what you want so it did the job.

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