Originally posted by 3 Colours Red
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Temporary Secretary is obviously good: just Macca mucking about in the studio - and frankly all the better for it. At that stage of his career, he was doing far too much dressing up and acting like a plonker in videos. (The Frog Chorus can go swivel on their lily pads, however.)
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And I know it's not a widely held opinion but I think 'We All Stand Together' is an outstanding, lushly charming song, like the Beach Boys or ABBA.
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Wings might have thought he was a twat when they had to stay in the cold barn next to his farmhouse on the Mull of Kintyre while him and Linda sat around getting stoned. I think that's what happened. Probably the most twattish thing he's done musically is title an album 'Kisses On The Bottom'. He didn't need to do that. Some of his lyrics are really odd. 'Check My Machine' is another great one. But he was doing pure schlock back in the Beatles, 'Ob La Di Ob La Da' and that, so he was always going to do more as a solo artist. Anyway, 'Band On The Run' and 'McCartney 2' are both fine albums and 'Ram' is pretty good too.
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Say Say Say is indeed great. While not loving Temporary Secretary I really don't get the hate for Macca. Shit, he's not even been a tax exile, has he?
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'Temporary Secretary' is amazing, you dafties. He's done loads of great stuff post Beatles, 'We All Stand Together' and 'Say Say Say' are fantastic for starters.
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Originally posted by Jah Womble View PostFair enough opinion. However, they (and others) are not actually demanding any kind of response from the listener. However the latter chooses to react or respond to their lyrics - either positively or negatively - is down to him/her.
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Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Postunlistenable drone antimusic
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Originally posted by 3 Colours Red View PostI think we're getting away from the point I was trying to make.
It's not bad lyrics per se, it's nonsense and pretension passing off as profundity.
It’s how I feel when forced to listen to certain prog bands from the seventies, or Alanis Morissette, for example. I’d concur in that I find a lot of Radiohead’s lyrics tiresome - but they’re musically way ahead of the majority, so I don’t lose too much sleep over it.
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I love The Bends and have 3 other Radiohead albums, I think I was earning a lot in the mid-90s.
As for McCartney, doesn't everyone love Temporary Secretary? Plus the songs mentioned, Maybe I'm Amazed and the BOTR album. I like Silly Love Songs, although it does what it says on the tin. And Another Day. He's just a master of the effortless melody.
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I think we're getting away from the point I was trying to make.
It's not bad lyrics per se, it's nonsense and pretension passing off as profundity.
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True, that needs a bit of a slap.
Ditto Van Halen and their ‘only time will tell if we can stand the test of time’.
And indeed many others.
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Originally posted by Jah Womble View PostI think that’s possibly what’s happening, aye.
Whatever one thinks of their output, unless what they’re issuing is highly offensive (in the proper sense of the expression), Radiohead or any band aren’t obliged to explain or defend their material to anybody.
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I think that’s possibly what’s happening, aye.
Whatever one thinks of their output, unless what they’re issuing is highly offensive (in the proper sense of the expression), Radiohead or any band aren’t obliged to explain or defend their material to anybody.
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But if you're doing nothing to dispel the notion that your stream of consciousness is deep and meaningful, surely you have to take at least some of that blame too?
Mind you, my disdain for Radiohead may be a stain on my argument.
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Originally posted by 3 Colours Red View PostI have no issue with lyrics being profound.
I have no issue with lyrics being total nonsense.
But Radiohead have that problem of trying to pass off word salad as profundity. "Oh, what does it all mean?" "These lyrics really speak to me."
BULL. SHIT.
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Originally posted by Jah Womble View PostBand on the Run wasn't a bad album at all.
On top of that, Maybe I'm Amazed, Helen Wheels, Listen to What the Man Said and Temporary Secretary were all decent singles.
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Originally posted by Snake Plissken View PostI always remember a letter on C4 teletext lambasting U2 for writing the line "A mole, digging in a hole" and saying they'll never write a line "as good as 'karma police, arrest this man'". And I realised that they were absolutely serious.
I have no issue with lyrics being total nonsense.
But Radiohead have that problem of trying to pass off word salad as profundity. "Oh, what does it all mean?" "These lyrics really speak to me."
BULL. SHIT.
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Street Spirit is the best Radiohead tune.
Don't @ me, I'm absolutely correct as usual.
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Originally posted by G-Man View PostI do like "High And Dry", and "Creep" was good for its day. But I never got the adulation for Radiohead, especially for OK Computer, which has been traded as some kind of seminal work for reasons I don't get even when Q magazine tried to explain it to me.
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Originally posted by G-Man View PostBut even in his activism, Bono adopted a saviour complex. And even if it sprang from the genuine concern, the activism smacked of self-mythologising. Take debt relief: Jubilee 2000 was a movement initiated by activists and the Catholic Church in the 1990s. The bandwagon was rolling along when Bono jumped on it and made it seem as if it was his invention.
Similarly his and Geldof's notion that they should be spokesmen for Africa without having a mandate or being subordinate to an African-led movement. There is a racist element to that.
There were benefits to that, of course, but they came at the price of twattishness.
Lots of celebrities seem to do this. One hears a lot more about the one’s who have started their own foundations etc. rather than the ones who are willing to just help out established organization and take up less of the spotlight. Either they and/or their mangers want more control over the “brand.”
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Originally posted by 3 Colours Red View Post
Don't worry, it's not just you two.
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