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    The legacy

    Well, the tournament is over, but it's impact isn't. So there is one more thread to rumble quietly on for a while yet - how can this be built on? Because for once the "legacy project" feels like it is an extremely important consideration, as this was a breakthrough event in terms of public interest in the Women's game... in England at least.

    The big tests are the obvious ones - the prominence afford to the next domestic/European season and the World Cup coming up in 12 months time.

    For the clubs, there are suddenly a bunch of names with widespread public recognition they can use to sell the game - cf. Manchester United being able to push their side with images of Earps, Toone and Russo. Back in 2019/29 the average attendance at WSL games had pushed up to ~3,400, helped to a large extent by holding derby games and key clashes at the Men's 1st XI stadiums - that explains why Spurs topped the attendance table with an average of ~8,600. Given that a number of the clubs have already announced they will be holding those plum fixtures at the big grounds again, the aim has to be to at least match that final average, and definitely to do better than the ~2,200 per game that watched in person in 2021/22.

    And then we get to next summer, and the World Cup, which is again not competing against a Men's equivalent tournament (in Europe at least). The timing of that is fortuitous, but one has to make use of a lucky break... Chloe Kelly is available to provide demonstrations of just such. But was the penetration of this summer in part because the tournament was in England? If things fall back again next summer it will be telling.
    A corollary to this point is the anecdotal evidence that Ray provided of Euro2022 not having the same impact in France. How is the English experience of this summer, where the Women's tournament was treated more similarly to an equivalent Men's event than has ever been the case before, translatable to other countries where this is not yet happening.

    #2
    In the end, the players have to be better than most schlubs watching.

    We're 10-15 years past the point where they all are, and now said schlubs watching on tv tune in expecting greatness. It's now a pattern.

    The womens game at this moment - with the speed and quickness mixed with the greater amount of space - has something to offer every time a game is on.

    Here in Colombia (I'm not in Paraguay anymore,) the Budweiser of Colombian cerveza (Aguila) features the Copa America 2022 team on their cans (that just lost the final to Brasil 1-0.)

    How is that not brilliant? How is that not outstanding?

    How?

    ​​​​​​https://www.cervezaaguila.com/copa-america-femenina

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      #3
      It was an extremely watchable and enjoyable tournament. The legacy surely has to be that no-one can really deny that Women's football is a serious thing, and everyone now knows about it. That's a very big step. Women's GAA has been widely seen as a serious thing for quite a while and it's made a huge difference to its development. It leads to a general quality spiral all across the board.

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        #4
        That 2019/29 season was a bit long and certainly didn’t help.

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          #5
          Not the Women's one. The league part of that never restarted...

          In response to TAB that is exact why it is important this acts as a watershed, that there is no flow back to the idea that Women's Football is a lesser thing (for instance, the Women's top flight being terminated in the face of a public emergency when heaven and earth is moved to get the Men's top flight played to a conclusion...). There will definitely be people who would want to reverse the gains of the last month, but the hope is there are enough people engaged by this tournament who are going to remain so, and that will make the current too strong for those refusniks to make any headway.

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            #6
            I'm genuinely hoping (perhaps naively) that there is a "rising tide lifts all boats" effect from England's win that improves the focus on and investment in all Britain's other international women's teams.

            Wales have been knocking on the door of qualification for a few tournaments now and have a good chance for next year's World Cup. The FAW & related bodies have done pretty well lately and are already using the interest around this tournament and last night to market September's vital home qualifier against Slovakia. More long term planning is needed though.

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              #7
              An issue for Wales is pretty much what happens in the men's game. Investment is stifled because of the overlapping league systems. For example, there are two Cardiff City women's teams - one in the English system and one in the Welsh. I think it's the English based one that is actually affiliated to the club. (BLT probably knows more)

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                #8
                No, it's the original Cardiff City Ladies that play in the English system. The more recently formed Tan United affiliated team plays in the Welsh leagues.

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                  #9
                  See how confusing it is?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
                    to market September's vital home qualifier against Slovakia.
                    Hopefully the marketing will advertise the correct team that Wales are playing in September <winky face>

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                      #11
                      Oh, fuck a duck, that's twice in three days I've transposed Slovenia and Slovakia!
                      Last edited by Ray de Galles; 01-08-2022, 11:39.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
                        I'm genuinely hoping (perhaps naively) that there is a "rising tide lifts all boats" effect from England's win that improves the focus on and investment in all Britain's other international women's teams.

                        Wales have been knocking on the door of qualification for a few tournaments now and have a good chance for next year's World Cup. The FAW & related bodies have done pretty well lately and are already using the interest around this tournament and last night to market September's vital home qualifier against Slovakia. More long term planning is needed though.
                        Well the irish women's team went on strike over having to exchange tracksuits with underage teams in motorway service station toilets, among other indignities. They already have the FAI on the run, the main barrier being that the FAI is effectively bankrupt. This tournament will make it hard for the other FAs dotted around these islands, who don't already have a mutiny on their hands to pull the same bullshit again.

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                          #13
                          The front page picture on the Irish Times and the Irish independent is of meath players celebrating after hammering Kerry in the Women's Senior all ireland final yesterday. it's a quarter of the star and the mirror's front page, and the Irish Mail also leads with a women's sport story, sort of. The fraud trial of a former captain of the women's hockey team. I'm fairly sure that's not a conscious response to events across the water though.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                            The front page picture on the Irish Times and the Irish independent is of meath players celebrating after hammering Kerry in the Women's Senior all ireland final yesterday. it's a quarter of the star and the mirror's front page, and the Irish Mail also leads with a women's sport story, sort of. The fraud trial of a former captain of the women's hockey team. I'm fairly sure that's not a conscious response to events across the water though.
                            TG4's extensive sponsorship and coverage of women's football over the last decade was largely responsible for the increased media profile and attendances in that sport, and of course the exploits of Katie Taylor over the same period saw greater demand for coverage of female sportspeople in general.

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                              #15
                              https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1554793035610955777?s=21&t=eslgdzkgXK7UwGAOI4fxgQ

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                                #16
                                They should be offered one...then turn it down.

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                                  #17
                                  Exactly.

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                                    #18
                                    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1554853278114095108?t=smdd4eDuNtht2fsAOyccGQ&s=19

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                                        #20
                                        Would every school have a playing field available given how many have been sold off since 1979? And are the women referring to the UK or just England?

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                                            #22
                                            https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1556264598449397760?t=mjK_8K5LbQC83vkQKTYIlw&s=19

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