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    Cym on Den!! The first game in the round of 16

    One of the most recent international games I went to was Cymru losing to Denmark in the Nations League.

    It feels like quite a tough tie to navigate if Rob Page is going to emulate the success of his team-mate Chris Coleman in 2016.

    #2
    Been working on a plan to go and think I had a feasible one but, to my surprise, none of my crowd (even those who I went to Rome with) are up for it.

    The thought of three days on my todd (though there are some hardcore Wales Awayers I could meet over there), five more days of quarantine and the risk of getting turned back at any stage is weighing heavily upon me. If I could find one like-minded idiot I think I'd be off.

    So, as it is, I think I'll be watching it somewhere near Wembley with my boy before we go to Italy v Austria which I have tickets for from the public ballot many years ago.
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 24-06-2021, 11:27.

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      #3
      After the events of the last 12 days I can't be the only person who wonders if Denmark's name is on the trophy again. Nobody looks unbeatable.

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        #4
        It will be the first game I'll actually be able to watch on TV.

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          #5
          I have to cheer for a 0-0 draw here. While I'm sure it's not the first time the same club has provided both goalkeepers in an international, I'm equally sure it can't be that common, so I hope they both have great games.

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            #6
            On the positive side, the fact one of these sides will be in the QF is a win-win for the good guys.

            There's a viable route to the final for the winner of the tie, i.e. they can only meet sides who aren't called France, Italy or Belgium.
            Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 24-06-2021, 14:52.

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              #7
              That is a great trivia observation that
              delicatemoth mentions there. I have already passed this on to Mrs Thistle and she thinks it's very cool.

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                #8
                I'm sure I saw Paul Jones play against another Soton keeper in a Wales game, I just can't remember who.
                Last edited by Ray de Galles; 24-06-2021, 14:56.

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                  #9
                  Antti Niemi of Finland in 2003?

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                    #11
                    Manfred to Mann marking?

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                      #12
                      1 Wales fan will be there
                      https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...y-who-20889810

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                        #13
                        I know a handful who are already out there by various routes, think we'll have around 50-100 in attendance based on the 300 or so who made Baku and/or Rome.

                        I'm getting more and more worried about the game itself. In my more pessimistic mood I reflect that we were the inferior side against Switzerland and the draw was a relief, had the least emphatic win over Turkey of all the sides in the group and failed to make any impact on Italy's second string (even before the red card).

                        Playing Italy last when they were already qualified can be seen to have been very advantageous to our goal difference which ultimately sealed second place. Meanwhile, Denmark's group record is artificially skewed by the circumstances of their opening defeat and, as PT refers to, they thoroughly outplayed us in the 2018 Nations League ties.

                        We're a better side than we were in that campaign though and I can make many positive arguments for us, of course. I'm probably just grumpy about not being there and rationalising too much.
                        Last edited by Ray de Galles; 25-06-2021, 12:05.

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                          #14
                          I think Denmark are favourites, but Wales have a decent chance. Which is as much as you can hope for at this stage.

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                            #15
                            I am very worried about Denmark. They are gaining momentum and really must be favourites (and are probably most people's second favourite team after the opening match). As Harry mentions, we haven't exactly sparkled yet. Having said that, we beat a pretty poor Northern Ireland fairly unconvincingly before beating Belgium thoroughly.

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                              #16
                              I don't really believe in this second string theory. Firstly, the second best Italy players in most positions are really good players. Secondly it's a "Here's your chance to go out and stake a claim to be first choice" moment.

                              I don't know if we have seen Denmark play a team like Wales yet. Finland would have been the closest in terms of quality but that game is never going to be anything like a normal game to compare against. In less.extreme circumstances are Denmark able to unpick a defensive well drilled side without leaving themselves open to counter attacks? Both the Belgium goals were from quick breaks and Wales have the players to do that.

                              Having said all that I'm just hoping for a good sporting contest and if Cymru are second best on the day, well so be it.

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                                #17
                                Well said PT, though you can perhaps count me in with Ray and Bored's pessimistic camp. Logic says it'll probably be a tight game shaded by one moment of brilliance or – more likely? – one terribly untimely lapse of judgement or simple ill-luck. Part of me though, perhaps coloured by the narrative unfolding around Denmark this tournament and also I suppose by the long-ingrained notion that Wales can't possibly be competing at this level, thinks that the Danes will suddenly cut loose in dramatic fashion and shred us 4-0 or similar.

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                                  #18
                                  Originally posted by Bordeaux Education View Post
                                  we beat a pretty poor Northern Ireland fairly unconvincingly before beating Belgium thoroughly
                                  The pretty poor NI side that won our qualifying group, beat Ukraine impressively, and had conceded more than 1 goal only once in the 14 games of that campaign?

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                                    #19
                                    On the day, I meant. We weren't much better.

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                                      #20
                                      That Wales v Northern Ireland game was absolutely dreadful.

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                                        #21
                                        I'll meet you halfway at "fairly dull"
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                                          #22
                                          Originally posted by Various Artist View Post
                                          Well said PT, though you can perhaps count me in with Ray and Bored's pessimistic camp. Logic says it'll probably be a tight game shaded by one moment of brilliance or – more likely? – one terribly untimely lapse of judgement or simple ill-luck. Part of me though, perhaps coloured by the narrative unfolding around Denmark this tournament and also I suppose by the long-ingrained notion that Wales can't possibly be competing at this level, thinks that the Danes will suddenly cut loose in dramatic fashion and shred us 4-0 or similar.
                                          Be amazed if we lost heavily simply cos we haven't lost a competitive game heavily against anyone for years.

                                          Think Denmark will score and it's really how well they nullify us going forward which will count.

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                                            #23
                                            I think I'm inclined to pessimism too so here's some reasons to be optimistic:

                                            - Denmark are not that much better than us but no-one is really giving us a hope
                                            - All the pressure is on them - we've achieved our tournament objectives (getting out the group)
                                            - Some of our players have actually won games at this stage of the competition - none of Denmark's team have played in a quarter or semi final.
                                            - We've conceded about six competitive goals since the start of 2020

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                                              #24
                                              All fair points BLT... albeit I'm not so sure about the second one, was that the limit of Welsh ambition and is the pressure really all on a Danish side who've already performed a minor miracle just to get out of their group?

                                              I guess this state of affairs of Wales being 'quite good, actually' just feels so unnatural I keep expecting things to revert to the mean at any moment.

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                                                #25
                                                I'm backing Cymru to shade it (cue howls of anguish in Y Fenni but party time for bookmakers everywhere )

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