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  • Satchmo Distel
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    https://twitter.com/FelipeCar/status/1405160736679206912

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  • Discordant Resonance
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    Lisa Fallon has been a real breath of fresh air in RTE's coverage in terms of insight and player knowledge.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Richards also shows no insight when I see him on US TV doing Champions League, just banter and playing the court jester, which is a shame if he's really a thoughtful individual who knows his stuff.

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    Someone really needs to tell Micah Richards to stop laughing so much, or at least to tone it down a bit.

    It's Brian Blessed hearing the funniest joke in the world every two minutes.

    Last edited by Nocturnal Submission; 16-06-2021, 14:31.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Various rankings that might be of interest:

    https://twitter.com/HelltownBeer/status/1403750876125274116

    https://twitter.com/CaseyRolf/status/1404561192958320641

    Rae or Champion being top and Cangialosi bottom seems correct. Alejandro Moreno isn't bad but has drawn the short straw of main commentator. Rae and Robson would probably be the best duo.
    Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 16-06-2021, 13:32.

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  • Snake Plissken
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    This guys tweets on the hashtag are always a highlight.

    https://twitter.com/MickFerry/status/1404893439402123267


    https://twitter.com/MickFerry/status/1392954419017396224

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  • Bizarre Lw Triangle
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    Really enjoyed Gwennan Harries co-commentary on S4C on Saturday - felt quite sorry for English language viewers having to put up with Robbie Savage.

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  • imp
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    Originally posted by Sporting View Post
    Imp, do you know who the woman was on the panel on Das Erste today? I didn't catch her name.
    Apologies, didn't see this until now. It's German national team and Wolfsburg goalkeeper Almuth Schult, and she's been an absolutely brilliant pundit so far - funny, articulate, at ease, and offering pertinent analyses. She makes a great team with Stefan Kuntz and Kevin Prince-Boateng. On the downside we have Bastian Schweinsteiger in the stadium, and he just has no TV presence - not funny, not charismatic, and for someone who spent 15 years at the top of the game, seems to have no insights to offer about what's happening on the pitch either. Maybe he'll grow into it, but right now he's just awkward and dull. Which is a shame, as he's a very likeable bloke.

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  • E10 Rifle
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    In terms of clear and tactical insight, Emma Hayes on ITV in the UK has been a cut above so far. Comparing her co-comms in Poland-Slovakia with the witless nothingness of Danny Murphy later on was stark.

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  • Snake Plissken
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    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
    It happened today when Scott McTominay was looking for a penalty. The ref clearly told the Czech player to delay the throw. Actually I kind of thought it was going to be given.
    Well it would have been had he been wearing a Man Utd shirt.

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  • danielmak
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    Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
    I thought Derek Rae did very well during the harrowing period of Denmark v Finland when he must have feared he was commentating on a fatality on the pitch. Efan Ekoku was also OK, at least in maintaining a calm but somber tone. The decision to play the game (and Bel-Rus) was fairly debated despite ESPN having a vested interest in games going ahead.

    On the actual football, Rae is the best qualified for pronunciations due to his experience covering the Bundesliga, etc. He seemed to have done his homework on Finnish speech.

    I don't mind ESPN doing the Euros as I'm used to how they cover it. It sticks with the tried and trusted and someone taking a time machine from 2012 wouldn't notice much change. Their big error is their belief that Darke-McManaman is their best pairing; it clearly isn't.
    Rae was interviewed on a US podcast 5+ years ago. I think it was called Beyond the Pitch, but maybe I'm conflating that name with some other publication. I think a lot of that interview was then recycled in different ways to make up his wiki profile. He's a very thorough commentator, has covered a lot of leagues, and spends a lot of time research the players before he calls the game. In fact, for many years, ESPN had excellent commentators with a guy named Mike Hill preceding Rae for CL coverage (JP might have been in between). I think Darke is now paired with Stewart Robsen (sp?). McManamen seems to only be a studio analyst this time around.

    I was telling a friend the other day that I remain on the fence about US TV coverage of many tournaments. On one hand, I don't really enjoy listening to most of the US-born announcers. Steve Cangialosi is a tough listen, for example. On the other hand, at some point these guys need to be able to have a shot and to earn a living. It's not like many of the UK-based announcers are any more intelligent given some of the stupid shit they say when they cover the CL. If the US announcers demonstrate that they actually watch games outside MLS then I am ok with those guys. Andres Cordero is a great example. He was tough to hear when he was with Gol TV but he grew when he started paying attention to multiple leagues and talking about the games he calls from a broader perspective. Then there is the problem with the stations cross-marketing. Good God, the amount of mentions of MLS-based players in the Brazil-Venezuela Copa America match was brutal. I know that has nothing to do with the Euros, but the approach by John Strong was symbolic of announcer limitations and narrow views of football by producers in the US.

    In the end, after ESPN's brutal coverage of WC 2006 and Fox's plan to use a college football announcer for WC 2014 before he bailed on the project, what we get now with ESPN is not a major concern.

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    If Werner starts for Germany expect to see the stats rocket upwards.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Something that keeps winding me up is witless bastards like peter collins and others saying that it's great that VAR has played such a small role in the tournament so far. which a) suggests they only notice var when they put up the graphic and show the replays. and b) they have no idea how Rarely Var actually intervenes.

    You can see the referee telling people to hold the game all the time, and that's the only signal you get that VAR is looking at something. It happened today when Scott McTominay was looking for a penalty. The ref clearly told the Czech player to delay the throw. Actually I kind of thought it was going to be given. McTominay just runs into that guy if he stays still, and it's not a penalty. Except he turns his body and catches mc Tominay in the chest with his shoulder. It's basically the same trick that Rudiger pulled on kevin de Bruyne. Now that probably is a penalty.

    We've had 10 games so far, and last season in the premier league VAR awarded a penalty for any reason every 13 games, (29) it awarded a penalty for handball every 32 games, (12) overturned a penalty every 17 games, (22) ruled out a goal every 9 games (42) including a goal ruled out for offside every 12 games. There's going to be 51 games in this tournament so if you were to take those figures, you'd expect VAR to award 4 penalties over the course of the tournament, (2 for handball, 2 for other nonsense) overrule 3 penalties, rule out 5 or 6 goals, 4 of which will be for offside, and overrule the linesmans flag to allow 1 goal.

    So far VAR has ruled out one goal for offside, and not awarded any penalties. Which is not out of line with what you might reasonably expect. Var doesn't intervene very often, and since only the goal in the wales game, and the first dumfries goal came remotely close to being offside there hasn't been a delay on most goals. Indeed, there have only been 29 offsides in the 10 games so far, which is really not very many. (The PL average is 4 a game)

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  • DPDPDPDP
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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    I wondered if it was dialect, though I guess my memory was also off
    It’s the dialect commonly known as ‘stupidity’

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  • ursus arctos
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    I wondered if it was dialect, though I guess my memory was also off

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  • DPDPDPDP
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    Originally posted by DPDPDPDP View Post

    Wat doe usecnd sentence mean? Rae was born in Aberdeen and I’m pretty certain was brought up there too.
    Just reread my message. Wow, note to file - check your typing before posting.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    I was wondering if Rae was given the day off yesterday on compassionate grounds or if it was always the plan that he'd not do any games until the Scotland one?

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  • scratchmonkey
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    He's written an article about it, he learned German in Scotland and fell in love with the country, including listening to German radio:

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/german-b...er-and-culture

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  • ursus arctos
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    My recollection is that he learned German at Forces schools near the old border (also why he supports Hessen Kassel)

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  • DPDPDPDP
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    Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
    Rae said that it was the most difficult ten minutes he has ever experienced in a life of commentary

    He is another admirable example of someone raised among the Cold War forces in West Germany
    Wat doe usecnd sentence mean? Rae was born in Aberdeen and I’m pretty certain was brought up there too.

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  • ursus arctos
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    Foudy has been allowed to mature as a commentator and pundit, which is a privilege not offered many women here

    Though ESPN is definitely better than many st in this respect

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  • tee rex
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    Peter Drury and Andy Hinchcliffe are doing a decent job on the international feed for Poland-Slovakia. We don't get any HT chat at all.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    As we discussed recently, Julie Faudy has become an asset for ESPN: maintains a good balance between authoritative and enthusiastic; cool as ice, a relaxing presence.

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  • Sporting
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    Imp, do you know who the woman was on the panel on Das Erste today? I didn't catch her name.

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  • imp
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    In Germany on ZDF they had Per Mertesacker and Christoph Kramer in the studio, both very decent human beings. Kramer was close to tears and barely able to talk, Mertesacker was just stunned like everyone else. The moderator quickly took pity on them and told them he realised it was putting them in a terrible position to have to offer views at such a moment, and largely took on the duty of talking himself before they switched to the usual half-time news bulletin.

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