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    Today Benelux, tomorrow a Euroleague?

    Of course, plans for an Atlantic League have reportedly been in the pipeline since the mid-Nineties, if you believed the various stories over the years, and the Royal League was a tentative move towards a Nordic competition, but now it appears concrete Benelux talks are under consideration. That said, hard to imagine UEFA would ever sanction such a move:

    https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/f...uefa-proposal/
    Last edited by Diable Rouge; 19-10-2018, 22:06.

    #2
    Why do you say that about UEFA?

    The article itself illustrates their openness to the idea.

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      #3
      Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
      Why do you say that about UEFA?

      The article itself illustrates their openness to the idea.
      They have been fairly principled in the past about the integrity of national competitions - that said, an all-island soccer league could well prove beneficial if jointly-run by the FAI and IFA.

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        #4
        Apparently they've already begun consultation with roryfsmith.

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          #5
          The clear and obvious problem with this is European qualification. Belgium currently sits in 9th in the country standings, which gives them one direct Champions League place and one Q3 entry plus three Europa League spots at various levels. The Netherlands rank 13th, which is worth two CL spots starting in the Play-Off and Q2 respectively, plus another 3 EL places. Presumably both countries would expect to keep all of their UEFA places, distributing to their clubs with the best Benelux finishing positions, but doing that would both potentially see mid-table sides in the CL (if second Dutch side ended 6th, for example) and effectively rank the combined league higher than the current No.1 European league (Spain), which 'only' gets 4 + 3 places.
          Much more likely is that UEFA would combine the co-efficients and give the combined league a rating slightly above the one Belgium currently boasts and expect qualification to proceed in the usual manner from that. That would make it much harder for clubs like Ajax, Feyenoord and Standard Leige reaching the Champions League, as many years two or three of them wouldn't even make the starting line! It might also mean one or other country gas no CL sides at all in some years. If that what proves on offer, well, Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

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            #6
            Combining the current coefficients would put a Benelux league about 10th, wouldn't it. So probably just 1 +1 into the CL, unless as a result of freeing up 3 spots in the competition the combined league kept reserved rights to "extra" spots in in the league route playoffs in addition to those earnt via the coefficient.

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              #7
              Personally I’m all for a Euro Super League that takes the BRCs out of English football.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Janik View Post
                The clear and obvious problem with this is European qualification. Belgium currently sits in 9th in the country standings, which gives them one direct Champions League place and one Q3 entry plus three Europa League spots at various levels. The Netherlands rank 13th, which is worth two CL spots starting in the Play-Off and Q2 respectively, plus another 3 EL places. Presumably both countries would expect to keep all of their UEFA places, distributing to their clubs with the best Benelux finishing positions, but doing that would both potentially see mid-table sides in the CL (if second Dutch side ended 6th, for example) and effectively rank the combined league higher than the current No.1 European league (Spain), which 'only' gets 4 + 3 places.
                Much more likely is that UEFA would combine the co-efficients and give the combined league a rating slightly above the one Belgium currently boasts and expect qualification to proceed in the usual manner from that. That would make it much harder for clubs like Ajax, Feyenoord and Standard Leige reaching the Champions League, as many years two or three of them wouldn't even make the starting line! It might also mean one or other country gas no CL sides at all in some years. If that what proves on offer, well, Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
                The women's BeNe league which ran from 2011-2015 maintained separate coefficients for each country.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View Post
                  Combining the current coefficients would put a Benelux league about 10th, wouldn't it. So probably just 1 +1 into the CL, unless as a result of freeing up 3 spots in the competition the combined league kept reserved rights to "extra" spots in in the league route playoffs in addition to those earnt via the coefficient.
                  Presumably if Belgium are 9th and Netherlands 13th, then combining coefficients (which are a function of the performances of the clubs over the last 5 (?) years) would actually boost them up to about 6th or 7th

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                    #10
                    The coeffs are averages of total points divided by numbers of clubs entered, so eg 12 points per Belgian entrant and 10 points per Dutch, combined, would end up at 11, not 12+.

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                      #11
                      Are they? I thought they were simply sums.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sean of the Shed View Post
                        Apparently they've already begun consultation with roryfsmith.
                        This.

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                          #13
                          Rogin is correct, the country coefficients are averages (or, to be precise, sums of five annual averages).

                          Per Bert Kassies

                          For the calculation of the country ranking, points in qualification matches are halved: one point for a win and half a point for a draw. Before 1999 the usual two points for a win and one point for a draw were also used in qualifying rounds.
                          The so-called UEFA coefficients are calculated by taking an average, based on the total number of points divided by the total number of teams of each country. See the country coefficients of 2012 for an example of such a calculation.

                          The UEFA country ranking is computed by the sum of 5 coefficients in the last 5 years. See the country ranking of 2012 for an example of such a ranking list. To determine the participants in the Champions League and the Europa League the last year ranking is used, because each country should know at the start of the season how many places it disposes.
                          The club coefficients used for seeding are sums.
                          Last edited by ursus arctos; 20-10-2018, 11:20.

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