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    Union put in a excellent shift at Stuttgart today. Could, maybe should have won. Still two away goals and partizan home crowd ought to do the job on Monday. Stuttgart really looked poor, especially in their own area.

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      I'm assuming from that that away goals are significant. The group of Stuttgart supporters who turned up in my local certainly left disappointed. I see also that the 2/3 playoff has the 3. Liga team at home first. Is that always the case? If so, why is it when the 1/2 playoff is the other way round?

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        I don't know the answer to your second question, but yes away goals count double. It makes for a better series when the underdog gets the second game at home I think.

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          Thanks. Union got there on the back of plenty of drawn games and the fewest defeats in the division so should be in with a good chance.

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            The right to play the second leg at home is given to the club who have played their prior match most recently, so Union for the 1/2 match and Ingolstadt for 2/3

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              Good info. Interesting. Ta.

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                It is an interesting idea intended to compensate the club with less rest, though I'm not aware of any other competition that uses it.

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                  Wahey! Go on, Union!

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                    Highly likely to get absolutely hammered next season, but who the hell cares

                    Aus! Aus! Aus! Die Berliner Fans stürmen auf den Platz: Union ist erstklassig, der VfB steigt in die zweite Bundesliga ab.

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                      Quite, and quite.

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                        Great news for Union, though I expect that they and Paderborn will struggle next year. But there's always the example of sides like Darmstadt or Ingolstadt, who against the odds survived more than one season.

                        Next season's relegation battle will surely be interesting. Union and Paderborn will probably do battle with teams like Köln, Düsseldorf and Augsburg. Freiburg and Mainz are always candidates for a good relegation struggle as well. And who knows whether Wolfsburg's success this year after a few seasons fighting relegation will prove to be temporary. After how they treated Labbadia, I hope so. And there's usually a good side battling relegation as well. Next year it could be a side like Gladbach, who are shedding players.

                        And for the sake of imp, I shall top my dire predictions for Frankfurt, who seem determined to prove me wrong. Rock bottom with 5 points (that should be enough for CL qualification).

                        The 2. Bundesliga will be tasty as well, with Stuttgart, HSV, Nürnberg and Hannover in the mix. I can see sides like Bielefeld and Bochum competing as well, plus one or the other surprise team such as Karlsruhe or Heidenheim (again) annoying the big clubs.

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                          A mate of mine moved to Bielefeld this season, so I've started paying a bit more attention to Arminia - their early season form was dreadful but they've been class in the Nachrunde.
                          Die Alm is also the most smokingest place I've ever been, worse than the top deck of a bus forty years ago.

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                            My goddaughter's father works round the corner from Union Berlin's ground. In the 28 years that he's been there, he reckons he could have counted the football-related conversations he'd had on the fingers of a closed fist.

                            Until yesterday. Then, everybody was claiming to be a lifelong Union fan. One bloke even came in with an Union scarf that still had the crease marks in it and stlll smelled of the packaging.

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                              To be fair their average attendance this season is just over 21,000 and the ground capacity a bit more than 22,000.

                              https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/2-bu.../wettbewerb/L2

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                                The away goal rule hasdecided the playoff for the 2. Bundesliga as well. SW Wehen Wiesbaden beat Ingolstadt 3-2 away, overturning the 1-2 defeat from the first leg.

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                                  Tried to look for goal highlights of this but the Bundesliga seem to do very well in blocking highlights of their games, in whatever division, on youtube and the like.

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                                    I see Bayern II have finally dragged their sorry arses out of Regionalliga Bayern.

                                    Don't approve of reserve teams in the league, but I guess it's another derby to go to next season.

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                                      Separated by the regional leagues that existed before the introduyction of the Bundesliga in 1963, the tables might have looked something like this. I have tweaked a little, incorporating Berlin into the Oberliga Ost, and moving Hessen from the Oberliga Süd (Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg) to Südwest (Rheinland Pfalz & Saarland). I've also excluded the second teams.

                                      Oberliga Nord
                                      1. Wolfsburg
                                      2. Werder Bremen
                                      3. Hannover 96
                                      4. Hamburger SV
                                      5. Holstein Kiel
                                      6. FC St Pauli
                                      7. VfL Osnabrück
                                      8. SV Meppen
                                      9. Braunschweig
                                      10. VfB Lübeck
                                      11. Weiche Flensburg
                                      12. Drochtersen
                                      13. BSC Rehden
                                      14. VfB Oldenburg
                                      15. Havelse
                                      16. Jeddeloe
                                      17. Norderstedt
                                      18. Hansa Lüneburg

                                      Oberliga Ost
                                      1. Rasenbull Leipzig
                                      2. Hertha BSC
                                      3. Union Berlin
                                      4. Dynamo Dresden
                                      5. Erzgebirge Aue
                                      6. Magdeburg
                                      7. Halle
                                      8. Hansa Rostock
                                      9. Zwickau
                                      10. CZ Jena
                                      11. Energie Cottbus
                                      12. Chemnitz
                                      13. Berliner AK
                                      14. Nordhausen
                                      15. RW Erfurt
                                      16. Viktoria Berlin
                                      17. Lok Leipzig
                                      18. Babelsberg

                                      Oberliga West
                                      1. Bor. Dortmund
                                      2. Leverkusen
                                      3. Mönchengladbach
                                      4. Düsseldorf
                                      5. Schalke
                                      6. 1. FC Köln
                                      7. Paderborn
                                      8. Bielefeld
                                      9. VfL Bochum
                                      10. Duisburg
                                      11. Münster
                                      12. Uerdingen
                                      13. Sportfreunde Lotte
                                      14. Fortuna Köln
                                      15. Viktoria Köln
                                      16. RW Oberhausen
                                      17. Rödinghausen
                                      18. Aachen

                                      Oberliga Südwest
                                      1. Eintracht Frankfurt
                                      2. Mainz 05
                                      3. Darmstadt 98
                                      4. SV Wehen Wiesbaden
                                      5. Kaiserslautern
                                      6. Waldhof Mannheim
                                      7. 1.FC Saarbrücken
                                      8. FC Homburg
                                      9. Elversberg
                                      10. Kickers Offenbach
                                      11. FK Pirmasens
                                      12. TSV Steinbach
                                      13. FSV Frankfurt
                                      14. Wormatia Worms
                                      15. Eintracht Stadtallendorf
                                      16. Hessen Dreieich
                                      17. FC Giessen
                                      18. RW Koblenz


                                      Oberliga Süd
                                      1. Bayern
                                      2. Hoffenheim
                                      3. SC Freiburg
                                      4. Augsburg
                                      5. VfB Stuttgart
                                      6. Nürnberg
                                      7. Heidenheim
                                      8. Regensburg
                                      9. Greuther Fürth
                                      10. Sandhausen
                                      11. Ingolstadt
                                      12. Karlsruhe
                                      13. Würzburg
                                      14. Unterhaching
                                      15. München 1860
                                      16. Sonnenhof Großaspach
                                      17. VfR Aalen
                                      18. Ulm
                                      Last edited by G-Man; 29-05-2019, 18:22.

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                                        Wiesbaden is in Hesse.

                                        In fact it is the capital (something that surprised me).

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                                          Oh shit, that's was a slip of concentration.

                                          So, Wehen 4th in Südwest, and bad news for Kassel, who now drop out. Ulm or Eichstätt go into last place in Süd.
                                          Last edited by G-Man; 29-05-2019, 18:23.

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                                            No worries

                                            The Nord really isn't any good, is it?

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                                              Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                                              No worries

                                              The Nord really isn't any good, is it?
                                              No. He said "Jeddeloe". It's "Jeddeloh".

                                              We're good at "Boẞeln", though.

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                                                I'd say Ost and Südwest are just as dire as the Nord.

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                                                  They wouldn't challenge for trophies, that's true.

                                                  And I probably overrate the Berlin clubs vis a vis Northern clubs at that level.

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                                                    They're not. They're less worse. Northern German football is shit. The Bundesliga has Max Kruse, Julian Brandt, Jonathan Tah, Martin Harnik and then .... nothing.

                                                    Edit: Answer to G-Man's post.
                                                    Last edited by treibeis; 29-05-2019, 20:07.

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