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  • The Frustum System - Women's Leagues and Cups 2018/19

    So the women's football pyramid in England becomes a frustum in 2018/19, with the top level, the WSL, closed off for full-time teams only. The new system is

    Tier 1 = Women's Super League
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    Tier 2 = Championship
    Tier 3 = National League Premier: N/S
    Tier 4 = National League Div.1: N/Mids/SE/SW
    Tier 5 and below = Regional and county leagues

    Chelsea were the dominant force last season, winning both the WSL and the FA Cup in front of a record crowd of over 45 thousand. For me, this is at least a decent counterpoint to the 'closed shop' top flight - the FA Cup in women's football has the status within the game that the men's one did decades ago. The Final is the season's showpiece. The FA WSL title is decided in front of several hundred, rather than tens of thousands and a TV audience in the millions. And the women's FA Cup remains open to all, albeit with the WSL clubs getting more byes, usually.

    Chelsea and Man City came unstuck again against Europe's elite in the Champions League (a reminder that the 2018 WCL Final is on Thursday at 1700 btw) though they seem to be closing the gap each season.

    It's a big season in the sense that there's a World Cup at the end of it, and with a new manager plus retirements from some senior players there could be some places up for grabs. And it's a big season with the new franchising system coming into play. Man Utd are set to enter a team in the Championship, and the BBC is suggesting that Notts County are set to return as well.

  • ad hoc
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    The way that the WSL treated Doncaster Belles (and to a lesser extent Sheffield FC) is nothing sort of disgraceful. I really want to be positive about the rise of women's football (and big picture I absolutely am) but it seems like the administration is taking its cues from the men's game which really sucks. Money first.

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  • Uroš Predić
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    Absolutely inevitable. From the moment WSL2 was introduced the other year it was clear the FA's plans only suited those clubs who were backed by large men's sides. Done purely on perceived marketability and at the detriment of the majority of the long-standing women's clubs who established the sport when the FA abandoned it.

    The problem with the new sponsorship is that it will surely only widen the gap between those at the top table and the rest. Doncaster Rovers Belles this week agreed to come under the town's Club Doncaster sporting umbrella which will hopefully bring them some benefits in terms of sponsorship, but I can't see that they'll ever return to the top flight again now.

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  • Janik
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    If I remember correctly, they talked before the season started about how the costs of being a full time pro WSL 1 side would be a very serious stretch. It never sounded like there was going to be enough income to cover the expenditures. Basically it appears that, at the moment, a top flight Women's side can only exist at the largesse of a Men's Premier Division outfit. And largesse is something that can always and easily be withdrawn...
    The new sponsorship deal can't come soon enough. Women's Football has to grow through this stage and become financially self-sustaining*, otherwise it will never escape the ghetto it's currently in.

    * - baring the adoption of something like a 10-year agreement to make an annual exchange of solidarity payments between the WSL and PL. Say 1% of the TV revenues of each...

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  • Kevin S
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    Yeovil in administration.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/47640276

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    Yes, I saw that.

    I'm not sure how often Kingsmeadow has been randomly daubed with PSG graffiti in the past, their fans being relatively thin on the ground in Norbiton, so I think that it's probably fair enough to posit a link between the damage and the presence of their fans in the area ahead of the game.

    The drugs might have been minimal but we don't have an acceptable lower limit for knives and knuckledusters in this country.

    TBH, I don't mind clubs backing their fans as they're increasingly tending to do when the supporters appear to have been unfairly treated, but PSG's statement is wholly one-sided and uncritical.

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  • ursus arctos
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    PSG are protesting and contesting the facts, claiming that any "vandalism" pre-dated their visit and the that the alleged contraband was minimal.

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    Blimey - PSG hoolies rocked up in SW London: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47661471

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  • Kevin S
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    Meanwhile - for the 0% and 100% thread I suppose - in tier 3, National Premier North, Bradford City have lost all 20 of their matches so far. While in tier 4, National Div.1 Midlands, West Brom have won 15/15.

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  • Kevin S
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    FA Cup semi final draw, ties to be played 14 April:

    Reading v West Ham, 12:30, Live on BBC Red Button and iPlayer
    Man City v Chelsea, 3:30, Live on BBC Two

    The Final will take place at Wembley Stadium on Saturday 4 May (5.30pm) and will be broadcast live on BBC One.

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  • Kevin S
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    Barclays to become title sponsors of the WSL.

    https://twitter.com/JoCurrie/status/1108307283463860225

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  • Kevin S
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    Oh that's awful news. Her poor family.

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    Well this is just terribly sad: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47339408

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  • Diable Rouge
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    Originally posted by Kevin S View Post
    First semi final of the Continental Cup (essentially the Carabao Cup equivalent) between Chelsea and Man City is live and free here:

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...80805138628010

    Arsenal play Man Utd in the other semi final tomorrow.
    And Man United performed creditably in defeat against a side going for the Super League title - obviously their parachuting into the Championship has been highly controversial, but best that they actually make an effort on this occasion, rather than the lip service of the previous incarnation.

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  • Kevin S
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    First semi final of the Continental Cup (essentially the Carabao Cup equivalent) between Chelsea and Man City is live and free here:

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...80805138628010

    Arsenal play Man Utd in the other semi final tomorrow.

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  • Kevin S
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    Bad weather affected the fourth round of the FA Cup, so not all ties are settled yet. The rearranged ones will be played this Sunday. Man Utd have technically caused an upset, as that is a Championship team knocking out a WSL side in Brighton.

    Levels on the Frustum are shown in brackets.

    Loughborough Foxes (3) – Sheffield United (2)
    Charlton Athletic (2) – Huddersfield Town (3)
    Stoke City (3) – Aston Villa (2)
    Yeovil Town (1) – Birmingham City (1)
    Millwall Lionesses (2) – Lewes FC (2)
    Durham (2) – Cardiff City (3)
    Reading (1) – Keynsham Town (4)
    Liverpool (1) – Milton Keynes Dons (3)

    Brighton & Hove Albion (1) 0–2 Manchester United (2)
    West Ham United (1) 3–1 Blackburn Rovers (3)
    Manchester City (1) 3–0 Watford (3)
    AFC Wimbledon (4) 0–3 Bristol City (1)
    Crystal Palace (2) 0–3 Tottenham Hotspur (2)
    Everton (1) 0–2 Chelsea (1)
    Crawley Wasps (4) 0–4 Arsenal (1)
    Leicester City Women (2) 0–2 London Bees (2)


    The fifth round is due to be played on Sunday 17th, with the draw below.

    Liverpool (1) / Milton Keynes Dons (3) – Millwall Lionesses (2) / Lewes FC (2)
    Bristol City (1) – Durham (2) / Cardiff City (3)
    Reading (1) / Keynsham Town (4) – Yeovil Town (1) / Birmingham City (1)
    Chelsea (1) – Arsenal (1)
    Manchester United (2) – London Bees (2)
    West Ham United (1) – Charlton Athletic (2) / Huddersfield Town (3)
    Stoke City (3) / Aston Villa (2) – Loughborough Foxes (3) / Sheffield United (2)
    Tottenham Hotspur (2) – Manchester City (1)

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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    BBC Sport's headline at the moment reads "England's Nobbs out of women's cup".

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  • Janik
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    You have to consider Hegerberg's goalscoring record in context of the team she has been playing for, and just now dominant they are. Lyon had topped 100 goals domestically in each of the four complete seasons she has spent there, which is a considerable number when you consider that the Ligue 1 Feminine season is only 22 games long. They averaged 5.3 goals per game from 2014-2018. A lot of their matches are shooting fish in a barrel.
    For Lyon's main striker to be rumbling along at a shade over 1 goals per game is about par, really. It's more or less what Hegerberg's predecessor in the role, Lotta Schelin, managed. That Hegerberg hits the level she does is what keeps her place in that team

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  • Uncle Ethan
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    This season I've started commentating on Perth Glory in the W-League for TV. Some good football and one of the world's best in Sam Kerr so you get plenty of enjoyable moments. The Matildas (Australian Women's national team) are drawing decent crowds every time they play at home. Avoiding the twerking twerp, it's worth checking out Hegerberg's stats. She has some goalscoring record.

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  • ad hoc
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    So, finally women's football gets a ballon d'or... and when the winner - Ada Hegerberg - gets on stage the host asks her to twerk.

    I truly despair

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  • Janik
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    It may just be an effect of the floodlights (probably is), but the Women's away kit somehow seems to be a strong shade of pink than the Men's.

    For comparison, against a similarly kitted out South Coast side. Though maybe not in the long view.
    Last edited by Janik; 02-12-2018, 22:43.

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  • Kevin S
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    Crowds seem to be 2000-2500 so far for their home matches by the way, but they even managed to swell this Lewes (Sussex!) crowd up to nearly 2000 today.

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  • Kevin S
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    Haven't seen a pitch like this for a while.


    https://twitter.com/ManUtdWomen/status/1069255303194136576

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  • Kevin S
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    Pick. That. Out.

    https://twitter.com/fc_video/status/1051534173410873354

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  • Janik
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    A crowd of nearly 5,000 showed up yesterday for Manchester United's first competitive home match. That is a very impressive number. It's probably inflated by the historic nature of the fixture, but if they maintain something somewhat similar to that in the long term it will throw a gauntlet down to Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and in particular Manchester City to drive up the attendances at their Women's sides games. Which would be a positive impact.

    Man U lost the match, btw. 2-0 to Reading.

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