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    #26
    BBC Sport's headline at the moment reads "England's Nobbs out of women's cup".

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      #27
      Bad weather affected the fourth round of the FA Cup, so not all ties are settled yet. The rearranged ones will be played this Sunday. Man Utd have technically caused an upset, as that is a Championship team knocking out a WSL side in Brighton.

      Levels on the Frustum are shown in brackets.

      Loughborough Foxes (3) – Sheffield United (2)
      Charlton Athletic (2) – Huddersfield Town (3)
      Stoke City (3) – Aston Villa (2)
      Yeovil Town (1) – Birmingham City (1)
      Millwall Lionesses (2) – Lewes FC (2)
      Durham (2) – Cardiff City (3)
      Reading (1) – Keynsham Town (4)
      Liverpool (1) – Milton Keynes Dons (3)

      Brighton & Hove Albion (1) 0–2 Manchester United (2)
      West Ham United (1) 3–1 Blackburn Rovers (3)
      Manchester City (1) 3–0 Watford (3)
      AFC Wimbledon (4) 0–3 Bristol City (1)
      Crystal Palace (2) 0–3 Tottenham Hotspur (2)
      Everton (1) 0–2 Chelsea (1)
      Crawley Wasps (4) 0–4 Arsenal (1)
      Leicester City Women (2) 0–2 London Bees (2)


      The fifth round is due to be played on Sunday 17th, with the draw below.

      Liverpool (1) / Milton Keynes Dons (3) – Millwall Lionesses (2) / Lewes FC (2)
      Bristol City (1) – Durham (2) / Cardiff City (3)
      Reading (1) / Keynsham Town (4) – Yeovil Town (1) / Birmingham City (1)
      Chelsea (1) – Arsenal (1)
      Manchester United (2) – London Bees (2)
      West Ham United (1) – Charlton Athletic (2) / Huddersfield Town (3)
      Stoke City (3) / Aston Villa (2) – Loughborough Foxes (3) / Sheffield United (2)
      Tottenham Hotspur (2) – Manchester City (1)

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        #28
        First semi final of the Continental Cup (essentially the Carabao Cup equivalent) between Chelsea and Man City is live and free here:

        https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...80805138628010

        Arsenal play Man Utd in the other semi final tomorrow.

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          #29
          Originally posted by Kevin S View Post
          First semi final of the Continental Cup (essentially the Carabao Cup equivalent) between Chelsea and Man City is live and free here:

          https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...80805138628010

          Arsenal play Man Utd in the other semi final tomorrow.
          And Man United performed creditably in defeat against a side going for the Super League title - obviously their parachuting into the Championship has been highly controversial, but best that they actually make an effort on this occasion, rather than the lip service of the previous incarnation.

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            #30
            Well this is just terribly sad: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47339408

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              #31
              Oh that's awful news. Her poor family.

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                #32
                Barclays to become title sponsors of the WSL.

                https://twitter.com/JoCurrie/status/1108307283463860225

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                  #33
                  FA Cup semi final draw, ties to be played 14 April:

                  Reading v West Ham, 12:30, Live on BBC Red Button and iPlayer
                  Man City v Chelsea, 3:30, Live on BBC Two

                  The Final will take place at Wembley Stadium on Saturday 4 May (5.30pm) and will be broadcast live on BBC One.

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                    #34
                    Meanwhile - for the 0% and 100% thread I suppose - in tier 3, National Premier North, Bradford City have lost all 20 of their matches so far. While in tier 4, National Div.1 Midlands, West Brom have won 15/15.

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                      #35
                      Blimey - PSG hoolies rocked up in SW London: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47661471

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                        #36
                        PSG are protesting and contesting the facts, claiming that any "vandalism" pre-dated their visit and the that the alleged contraband was minimal.

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                          #37
                          Yes, I saw that.

                          I'm not sure how often Kingsmeadow has been randomly daubed with PSG graffiti in the past, their fans being relatively thin on the ground in Norbiton, so I think that it's probably fair enough to posit a link between the damage and the presence of their fans in the area ahead of the game.

                          The drugs might have been minimal but we don't have an acceptable lower limit for knives and knuckledusters in this country.

                          TBH, I don't mind clubs backing their fans as they're increasingly tending to do when the supporters appear to have been unfairly treated, but PSG's statement is wholly one-sided and uncritical.

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                            #38
                            Yeovil in administration.
                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/47640276

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                              #39
                              If I remember correctly, they talked before the season started about how the costs of being a full time pro WSL 1 side would be a very serious stretch. It never sounded like there was going to be enough income to cover the expenditures. Basically it appears that, at the moment, a top flight Women's side can only exist at the largesse of a Men's Premier Division outfit. And largesse is something that can always and easily be withdrawn...
                              The new sponsorship deal can't come soon enough. Women's Football has to grow through this stage and become financially self-sustaining*, otherwise it will never escape the ghetto it's currently in.

                              * - baring the adoption of something like a 10-year agreement to make an annual exchange of solidarity payments between the WSL and PL. Say 1% of the TV revenues of each...

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                                #40
                                Absolutely inevitable. From the moment WSL2 was introduced the other year it was clear the FA's plans only suited those clubs who were backed by large men's sides. Done purely on perceived marketability and at the detriment of the majority of the long-standing women's clubs who established the sport when the FA abandoned it.

                                The problem with the new sponsorship is that it will surely only widen the gap between those at the top table and the rest. Doncaster Rovers Belles this week agreed to come under the town's Club Doncaster sporting umbrella which will hopefully bring them some benefits in terms of sponsorship, but I can't see that they'll ever return to the top flight again now.

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                                  #41
                                  The way that the WSL treated Doncaster Belles (and to a lesser extent Sheffield FC) is nothing sort of disgraceful. I really want to be positive about the rise of women's football (and big picture I absolutely am) but it seems like the administration is taking its cues from the men's game which really sucks. Money first.

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                                    #42
                                    West Ham ask the Premier League to bring forward the kick-off time of their Men's league match on Women's Cup Final day so that fans can go to Wembley to watch them play Man City. The Premier League says 'no'. Well done West Ham in assuming that at least some of their fans support the club, and not just the Men's 1st XI. And bollocks to the Premier League for not giving the Women's game any consideration.

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                                      #43
                                      Well said, Janik. Man City have the relative luxury of their Premier League match being on the Monday instead. I hope the Hammers still manage to get plenty through the gates for the Cup Final.

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                                        #44
                                        As if to prove that Men's Football isn't the only type that causes problems for the Women's game by myopic scheduling*, the Champions League Semi is being played overlapping with the WSL title being decided.
                                        In the domestic stuff Arsenal won 4-0 at Brighton to be crowned champions in front of an excellent (indeed record) crowd for the WSL of five-and-a-quarter thousands (which doesn't compare at all to Atletico Madrid or Juventus' recent attendances but is still encouraging nonetheless), whilst the CL Semi at a sold-out Kingsmeadow has been rather fiery and is 1-1 at half-time, Lyon going ahead with a deflected effort which should probably go down as yet another Chelsea own-goal but the hosts soon striking back when Ji curled a free-kick from 20 yards into the top corner. That equaliser was followed by some excellent shithousery from the Lyon 'keeper Bouhaddi, not only holding on to the ball for ages to delay Chelsea kicking off again, but chasing after it and grabbing it back after it had been knocked from her hands. She and Chelsea forward Bachmann were booked for the confrontation, which unfortunately means Bouhaddi can now time-waste with impunity as there is no way on earth the ref is going to give her a second yellow card for time-wasting. All she will get is final warning after final warning.

                                        * - though, obviously, big matches for both Chelsea and Arsenal's women's teams clash directly with less important to the overall course of the season fixtures for both club's men's sides. But those Men's games will have much more prominence.
                                        Last edited by Janik; 28-04-2019, 14:06.

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                                          #45
                                          Barcelona beat Bayern 1-0 in front of a record crowd for them of almost 13,000 and will play the winner in the Budapest final.

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                                            #46
                                            Which will be Lyon, as the game at Kingsmeadow finished 1-1 which was 2-3 on aggregate. Kaz Carney came the closest to forcing extra-time when she cut inside from the left wing and curled a shot from the angle of the penalty area that had Bouhaddi completely beaten by thumped back off the post. The English sides seem to be banging their head on a glass ceiling in the Semi-Finals of late.

                                            How big is the stadium in Budapest selected for the final? Will it be big enough, or is it somewhere really pokey?

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                                              #47
                                              Interesting observation on the WSL Show about today's starting XI for Arsenal - only one of them had come through their Academy (Leah Williamson, for the record). In terms of nationalities, that side had twice as many Dutchwomen as English (four to two) and also two Scots, two Irish and a Dane. And an Aussie coach. Including the subs who came on adds a third Englishwoman, a second Dane and an Austrian. I don't have the stats for the last time Arsenal won the league back in 2011, but I would lay any money you like it featured both more English players and also more homegrown ones.
                                              Brighton also didn't have any youth team products in their side, but they established themselves as a professional club much more recently than Arsenal so I wouldn't expect that many from them as yet. However, their more localised recruitment catchment is shown by the nationality breakdown - eight English, two Irish and one Welshwoman in the starting XI, and another two Englishwomen and a Nigerian (but one who has lived in England since infancy). Plus an English manager. Money talks loudly in the Women's game, nearly as dominantly as in the Men's these days.

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                                                #48
                                                West Ham holding out well here. Second half just underway.

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                                                  #49
                                                  Went through the keeper a bit there, City lead.

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                                                    #50
                                                    Finished 3-0. West Ham's first half efforts cost them - they were obviously out of gas by about the 55th minute. Most of the second half was simply a question of how many.

                                                    So my thoughts (I've been watching on tape delay).

                                                    Both teams deserve a much better standard of officiating than they received today. And commentators. Arguably the key incident in the match was the West Ham penalty shout late in the first half. The commentators (Pearce and Smith) both concluded no contact and dive, which was a gross calumny on the West Ham player Lehman. It's hard to understand how people who supposedly should know something about the game could watch mutliple replays and not see the foul. They clearled show Scott making an lunging, out-of-control, straight legged, studs up 'tackle' that caught Lehman flush on the ankle. It's easy enough to stop if you watch Scott and Lehman's right feet during the challenge ion the views broadcast, though a side angle would have been crystal clear. But even on those available, Lehman's foot wobbles in mid-air due to the contact. Not only should this have been a penalty, but this is a textbook example of the sort of ankle-breaker challenge that Football is trying to eliminate - Scott should also have received a straight red card for it. The game would have been very different if she had...

                                                    Man City should also have had a penalty in the second half, which at least Sue Smith saw even if Jonathan Pearce didn't. It was a ball running away towards the touchline after a bit of a flap at a cross from the West Ham 'keeper, the Man City forward gets there first and the West Ham defender swipes he back of her ankles. The other bemusing decisions, apart from countless throw-ins and goalkicks given the wrong way, were a yellow card for Jill Scott for a minor brush of Lehman (adimmtedly Scott shouldn't have been on the field by this stage), swiftly followed by a West Ham player cynically kicking a Man City player on the achilles to stop a quick counter, and not being booked. Oh, and there were about four fouls in the first ten minutes on Nikita Parris, all of which should have been given and none were. I'd give the ref 3/10 for her performance, the teams would almost have been better off without anyone there!


                                                    On a more positive note, brilliant save from Karen Bardsley to deny Jane Ross' header midway through the first half. That move, cross header and save was the high point in quality of the match. The opening goal wasn't; as Kev says above the West Ham 'keeper made a hash of it. However, I'm convinced that the 'change in the flight' of the ball was, in fact, a deflection off the chest of the nearest defender, which the camera angle wasn't great to see - the ball was rising before it went past this defender, and dropping straight after in a way that gravity couldn't achieve. The second was also deflected, off the underneath of the thigh of the defender nearest to Stanway as she shot. That made it unsaveable. The West Ham 'keeper didn't help herself on the third, the decision making to fly off her line was not great. Good calm finish from Lauren Hemp, though.

                                                    Man City were the better for all but about 15 minutes of the match, and deserved their win. The pace they can bring off the bench was particularly impressive.

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