European Cup Trivia

[Satchmo Distel]

Deschamps and Desailly

[Sporting]

Frenchman who played for a winner and a runner-up.

[Satchmo Distel]

Makelele

[3 Colours Red]

Kopa?

[Rogin the Armchair fan]

Englishman who twice played his last game for a club in a European Cup final

[Capybara]

Kevin Keegan?

[Sporting]

Kopa?

Yep.

[Sporting]

Can we do runners-up next so Karius gets in :-)

Here you go: Usual caveats re mistakes etc apply. Comments much appreciated.

1956: Rene Jacquet – France
1956. 1958: Raoul Giraudo – France
1956: Jean Templin – France
1957: Aldo Scaramucci – Italy
1957: Claudio Bizzarri – Italy
1958: Narciso Soldan – Italy
1958: Eros Beraldo – Italy
1958: Giancarlo Danova – Italy
1959: Robert Lamartine – France
1960: Egon Loy – Germany
1960: Hermann Hofer – Germany
1960: Hans-Walter Eigenbrodt – Germany
1960: Dieter Stinka – Germany
1960: Dieter Lindner – Germany
1960: Erich Meier – Germany
1962, 1964: Rafael Batista Hernandez – Spain
1963, 1968: Humberto Fernandes – Portugal
1964: Isidro Sanchez – Spain
1965: Jose Neto – Portugal
1967: Mauro Bicicli – Italy
1969: Gert Bals – Holland
1970: Evan Williams – Scotland
1971: Giorgios Vlachos – Greece
1971: Haris Grammos – Greece
1971: Totis Filakouris – Greece
1972: Mario Giubertoni – Italy
1972: Mario Frustalupi – Italy
1973: Silvio Longobucco – Italy
1974: Eusebio Bejarano - Spain
1974: Ignacio Salcedo – Spain
1976: Jacques Santini – France
1977: Wolfgang Kneib – Germany
1977: Hans-Jurgen Wittcamp – Germany
1977: Hans Klinkhammer – Germany
1977: Frank Schaffer – Germany
1977: Horst Wohlers – Germany
1978: Gino Maes – Belgium
1978: Daniel de Cubber – Belgium
1978: Jan Simoen – Belgium
1979: Jan-Olov Kinnvall – Sweden
1980: Wilf Reimann – Germany
1981: Agustin Rodriguez – Spain
1981: Rafael Garcia – Spain
1981: Andres Sabido – Spain
1981: Angel de los Santos – Spain
1982: Manfred Muller – Germany
1982: Hans Weiner – Germany
1982: Udo Horsmann – Germany
1982: Reinhold Mathy – Germany
1982: Wolfgang Kraus – Germany
1982: Bernd Durnberger – Germany
1983: Sergio Brio – Italy
1984: Michele Nappi – Italy
1984: Agostino de Bartolemei – Italy
1986: Angel Pedraza – Spain
1987: Norbert Nachtweih – Germany
1987: Helmut Winklhofer – Germany
1987: Hans-Dieter Flick – Germany
1988: Chiquinho Carlos – Brazil
1989: Daniel Minea – Romania
1991: Fausto Pari – Italy
1991: Ivano Bonetti – Italy
1993, 1995: Sebastiano Rossi – Italy
1996: Kiki Musampa – Holland
2000: Gerardo Garcia Leon – Spain
2004: Julien Rodriguez – France
2004: Edouard Cisse – France
2007: Jermaine Pennant – England
2018: Loris Karius - Germany

Subs:

1974: Alberto Fernandez – Spain
1974: Domingo Benegas – Paraguay
1977: Christian Kulik – Poland
1978: Dirk Sanders – Belgium
1979: Tommy Anderson – Sweden
1979: Claes Maimberg – Sweden
1981: Francisco Pineda – Spain
1982: Gunter Guttler – Germany
1984: Marc Tullio Strukelj – Italy
1984: Odoacre Chierico – Italy
1985: Craig Johnston - England
1986: Josep Moratalla – Spain
1988: Wando – Brazil
1991: Giovanni Invernizzi – Italy
1991: Renato Buso – Italy
1996: Arnold Scholten – Holland
1996: Nordin Wooter – Holland
1997: Nicola Amoruso – Italy
1999: Thorsten Fink – Germany
2006: Manuel Almunia - Spain
2018: Loris Karius - Germany
2013: Julian Schieber – Germany

[jwdd27]

Manuel Almunia (2006) to add to the subs list - not capped at any level for Spain (or England).

[Sporting]

Thanks.

i haven't been able to ascertain if Giorgios Vlachos was capped, so if anyone can help?

[ursus arctos]

Transfermarkt says no, but is not necessarily definitive.

He doesn't have a Wikipedia entry in English, French German, Italian or Spanish.

[Diable Rouge]

Transfermarkt is far from infallible, but suggests he did not.

[Satchmo Distel]

So a club's weaker players didn't usually stop it reaching the final up to 1991, but as soon as it changed brand to Champions League, they did.

Or in other words, after 1991 you could only make the final with 11 players of international class.

[ursus arctos]

Vlachos' Greek Wikipedia entry gives him two caps for the Greek Amateur side and no senior caps

[Gangster Octopus]

Ah, another list. European Cup Winners with International Amateur Caps. East Europeans need not apply...

[Sporting]

So a club's weaker players didn't usually stop it reaching the final up to 1991, but as soon as it changed brand to Champions League, they did.

Or in other words, after 1991 you could only make the final with 11 players of international class.

Yes: Gladbach in 77 used 6 uncapped players and Bayern in 82 a grand total of 7. Unthinkable nowadays.

[seand]

Lots in Italy too I suspect, given the fluidity of movement between the big 3. Pirlo and Inzaghi for a start

Dejan Savicevic Red Star and Milan
Deschamps Marseille Juve
Desailly Marseille Milan consecutive years
Evra Monaco and ManU
Deco Porto Barca
Giuly Monaco Barca

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Yes: Gladbach in 77 used 6 uncapped players and Bayern in 82 a grand total of 7. Unthinkable nowadays.

Which brings us back to 1982 as being the final featuring most uncapped/never-capped players overall?

Other notes from 1982:
Bayern's used subs featured one never-capped and one single-capper.
The managers of the two sides split into never-capped and twice-capped.
Bayern's capped starters - Rummenigge 95, Breitner 45, Hoeness 6, Augenthaler 27, Dremmler 27 - did rack up a lot over their careers compared to Villa's

[jwdd27]

Craig Johnston didn't end up getting a full cap for England (the country he chose to represent), or for the other 3 countries for which he was eligible (Scotland, South Africa and Australia).
So he's an addition to winning starting line up (1984), and runner up sub (1985).

[1974ddr]

This must have been done before but let's make it a wee Sunday quiz: can you name the players who have appeared for two different teams in EU/CL finals?

Stretching slightly, Jimmy Rimmer (non-playing sub for Man Utd in 1968, Villa in 1982). His total playing time of ten minutes in the Finals for two European Cup winners' medals probably takes some beating too.

[Capybara]

Ian Bowyer's a one, isn't he? He's won the European Cup, the Cup Winners' Cup, the League, the League Cup and the Welsh Cup as well as the UEFA Super Cup and the Charity Shield. And, as far as I know, he's never remotely been considered for his country.

[Tony C]

Ian Bowyer's a one, isn't he? He's won the European Cup, the Cup Winners' Cup, the League, the League Cup and the Welsh Cup as well as the UEFA Super Cup and the Charity Shield. And, as far as I know, he's never remotely been considered for his country.

There are other angles with Bowyer, too: winning European trophies with two different clubs whilst playing in different positions (striker and midfield). Also he dropped down into the second division (with Orient) between his trophy winning successes. All, as you say, without a hint of international recognition.

When you look at the likes of Bowyer, McGovern, O'Hare etc it makes you realise how great Clough was. But that's another story..

[Satchmo Distel]

And how great Taylor was.

[Erskine Bridges]

Did I ever mention I’ve played against Ian Bowyer?

[ale]

There are other angles with Bowyer, too: winning European trophies with two different clubs whilst playing in different positions (striker and midfield). Also he dropped down into the second division (with Orient) between his trophy winning successes. All, as you say, without a hint of international recognition.

When you look at the likes of Bowyer, McGovern, O'Hare etc it makes you realise how great Clough was. But that's another story..

Or maybe how blinkered international managers were when it came to picking their squads.