The Wolves player was a one footed challenge, foot down with no stamping motion or serious contact with the opponents leg,yellow at most.
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Originally posted by elguapo4 View PostThe Wolves player was a one footed challenge, foot down with no stamping motion or serious contact with the opponents leg,yellow at most.
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I'm somewhat with both of you there. The Wolves player is lunging in, and arguably using a fair amount of force, but he is also reasonably in control as he keeps his leg down and doesn't stamp at all. It's overly forceful, and arguably yellow card worthy for that. Fabinho sees the challenge coming and jumps and spins to avoids it, but in doing so ends up going over the ball and lands on Lamina. I don't think it's a stamp either - I can't see anywhere else but on top of the Wolves player for his leg to come down to earth. After watching in a number of times in real slow-motion I'm going with free-kick to Liverpool and yellow card to the Wolves player as the outcome. No reds needed at all, one player is not endangering the other (Lamina) and the second is doing something dangerous but only as last-gasp evasive action from a foul challenge on himself.
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Originally posted by Janik View PostDid you tell him this in person? It's nice to hear when you have officiated well and people have appreciated that...
Not that I would have received such kudos today. And I will definitely be getting negative feedback as me and my colleague had a coach present watching us. File under "When another official has a seriously off day, and that drags you down in turn"
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'When referees don't help their own cause' - a minor run-in with a colleague this weekend in my coaching role. Retrospectively hilarious, but still an indication why so many people perceive refs as inflexible twats.
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I saw this (very old) cartoon on Twitter and had a chuckle and thought of imp and all the other refs who have to put up with numerous touchline gob shites.
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Originally posted by DPDPDPDP View PostI saw this (very old) cartoon on Twitter and had a chuckle and thought of imp and all the other refs who have to put up with numerous touchline gob shites.
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This week's blog wishes it could meet an objective and sane spectator after every game - it was yet another showcase for hot-headed wankery. There's also a new podcast up at Halcyon where I bang on about reffing for a while (we're having a second push of the book, so apologies to those having to endure the same message).
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So after 35 years of officiating, I have decided to hang up the whistle, cards etc. Maybe my skin is not as thick as it used to be, but finally tired of the abuse, personal and otherwise, and giving up my time to deal with a bunch of whining players, coaches and officials 2 or 3 times a week. Final straw really was a coach, and someone I thought I had a good relationship with, telling me my nationality (he was wrong by the way) and therefore my race was the reason I hadn't had a good game that day (polite version). Maybe I'll find another hobby to fill my time, perhaps running randomly around my neighbourhood inviting strangers to shout rude things at me.
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Originally posted by Bermuda Iron View PostSo after 35 years of officiating, I have decided to hang up the whistle, cards etc. Maybe my skin is not as thick as it used to be, but finally tired of the abuse, personal and otherwise, and giving up my time to deal with a bunch of whining players, coaches and officials 2 or 3 times a week. Final straw really was a coach, and someone I thought I had a good relationship with, telling me my nationality (he was wrong by the way) and therefore my race was the reason I hadn't had a good game that day (polite version). Maybe I'll find another hobby to fill my time, perhaps running randomly around my neighbourhood inviting strangers to shout rude things at me.
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Thanks DPDPDPDP, appreciate the sentiments. Became a ref way back when I had to stop playing, and in general really enjoyed it. Fortunate enough to ref at a reasonable level, in the UK and the Netherlands for a couple of years. I ultimately became a CONCACAF assessor and technical instructor as well, so I may keep involved coaching and mentoring the younger officials over here (less hassle but still rewarding). I moved to Bermuda in 2011 (my wife is Bermudian who I met in the military in the UK), and she wanted to come back home after we left. The Commercial League is still going, called the Corona League now, but Lobster Pot dropped out of the league a few years ago. I reffed mainly in the Premier Division (last game 2 weeks ago down in St David's if you remember the Lords ground down there). Nothing will have changed since you lived here...
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Originally posted by imp View PostThat's too bad, BI. But I understand one hundred per cent. It's never a single game, it's the accumulation and then a final straw that's the trigger. I'm sure mine will come sooner or later.
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Originally posted by Bermuda Iron View PostThanks DPDPDPDP, appreciate the sentiments. Became a ref way back when I had to stop playing, and in general really enjoyed it. Fortunate enough to ref at a reasonable level, in the UK and the Netherlands for a couple of years. I ultimately became a CONCACAF assessor and technical instructor as well, so I may keep involved coaching and mentoring the younger officials over here (less hassle but still rewarding). I moved to Bermuda in 2011 (my wife is Bermudian who I met in the military in the UK), and she wanted to come back home after we left. The Commercial League is still going, called the Corona League now, but Lobster Pot dropped out of the league a few years ago. I reffed mainly in the Premier Division (last game 2 weeks ago down in St David's if you remember the Lords ground down there). Nothing will have changed since you lived here...
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No game this past weekend (I was out of town), so this week the reffing blog takes last year's review and interview with Ashley Hickson-Lovence from behind Soccer America's paywall, and reproduces it for your delight and entertainment. The paperback of Hickson-Lovence's novel 'Your Show', narrated through the eyes of Uriah Rennie, has just been issued in paperback. There's also a link to the podcast at the Halcyon website where he and I chat about the relationship between writing and refereeing. On that same page, there are some audio extracts from Reffing Hell.
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...but just because I wasn't refereeing, that doesn't man all was peaceful on Frankfurt's fields. A game involving the U11 team at my club was abandoned due to over-enthusiastic parental involvement on the part of their opponents. No ref showed up, so our club's assistant coach agreed to ref the game. It didn't go well, and he ended it due to the parents continually screaming at and insulting him.
Meanwhile, a friend of mine was mentoring a new ref at a U13 boys game. Did the coaches and parents take this into account? Did they fuck, and this had a knock-on effect with their little darlings out on the pitch. Four yellows and a straight red. These are 12-year-old kids, for fuck's sake. And no doubt a brand new ref who's already wondering if this is the right hobby for his weekends.
Also, a U19 team I reffed earlier this season - the one whose 'fans' threw a flare on to the field - has been banned after a home game where, after the final whistle (seven yellow cards, one time-penalty), they covered their faces with scarves and balaclavas, then waited for their opponents outside the ground before jumping out and attacking them. The background was an alleged racist insult when the two teams met earlier in the season.
Football - it's the sport that binds humanity!
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We won at the weekend, but I'm still amazed at how two officials, one a leading assistant who has served at international tournaments, managed to let UCD take an offside free kick about 5 metres into our half.
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Originally posted by elguapo4 View PostWe won at the weekend, but I'm still amazed at how two officials, one a leading assistant who has served at international tournaments, managed to let UCD take an offside free kick about 5 metres into our half.
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- Jul 2016
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Originally posted by imp View Post
Presumably because that's where the attacker was when they came back from an offside position in the opposition half to play the ball. Always nice to hear people in the stands moan about that one!
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I’m really not following the description, but imp’s basic point stands - it is entirely possible within the laws for an offside free-kick to be spotted in the attacking half of the field. That wasn’t the law 10/15/20+ years ago... but that is the case now. If you think it’s impossible for a player to commit an offside offence* within their own half, bluntly you are just wrong (because you are out-of-date).
* - the offence, rather than ‘being offside’ as being offside is no longer, of itself, a foul.
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Last game for a month, though the main drama of the day came while watching another game that I happened to pass on my way home. Off now to New Yoik Fucking City. Proper delis, proper book shops, proper record stores - I am on my way.
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Tsk, I see this thread has been cruelly neglected in my absence. Never mind, here's a new blog post.
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