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    Allardyce (or Bruce, for that matter) would succeed Roy Hodgson in being an English England manager never to have played for England.

    Would that make them fairly unique? I think even Del Bosque played for Spain, back in the day, for example, even though he's far more renowned now as a manager. Sven Goran Eriksson never played for Sweden, but then he's never managed them, either, so he's not part of the set I'm thinking of.

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    Managed but never played for your country

    Steve McClaren only scaled the delights of playing for Derby, Lincoln, Bristol City, Oxford and Hull

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      Managed but never played for your country

      Andy Roxburgh.

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        Managed but never played for your country

        Jogi Löw

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          Managed but never played for your country

          Graham Taylor is another.

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            Managed but never played for your country

            Louis van Gaal
            Guus Hiddink
            Dick Advocaat
            Thijs Libregts
            Jan Zwartkruis
            Karel Kaufman

            Leo Beenhakker, George Knobel, and Jaap van der Leck didn't even have a playing career.

            I was going to add Bert van Marwijk, but he did play in a friendly against Yugoslavia in 1975.

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              Managed but never played for your country

              Gerard Houllier.

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                Managed but never played for your country

                I think there are going to be a lot of these; France has five official managers who were never capped.

                José Arribas and Jean Snella (neither)
                Louis Dugauguez
                Georges Boulogne
                Gérard Houllier
                Jacques Santini

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                  Managed but never played for your country

                  Martin O'Neill.
                  Giovanni Trapattoni.
                  Brian Kerr.
                  Jack Charlton.

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                    Managed but never played for your country

                    Carnivorous Vulgaris wrote: Martin O'Neill.
                    Giovanni Trapattoni.
                    Brian Kerr.
                    Jack Charlton.
                    I think the rule is that they have to have been eligible to have been capped by the country they managed, but weren't.

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                      Kevchenko wrote:
                      Originally posted by Carnivorous Vulgaris
                      Martin O'Neill.
                      Giovanni Trapattoni.
                      Brian Kerr.
                      Jack Charlton.
                      I think the rule is that they have to have been eligible to have been capped by the country they managed, but weren't.
                      Fuck. In which case, ignore me.

                      EDIT: Though Kerr would have been eligible.

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                        Managed but never played for your country

                        Well, Kerr counts.

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                          Managed but never played for your country

                          Alex Ferguson

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                            Only two of the 92 league managers are former England internationals (Nigel Clough and Keith Curle).

                            I think that in the modern age, players of any sort of standard make enough money from the game to not be bothered with management.
                            It's the shit players or early retirees who make it in coaching.
                            Gary Neville has done it the other way round, good player, shit coach.

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                              Erich Ribbeck never played for Germany.

                              If I remember correctly, Rudi Völler was given some title other than "trainer" when he coached Germany because he lacked the required qualifications. The official "Nationaltrainer" was Michael Skibbe, who never represented Germany either.

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                                Managed but never played for your country

                                Jock Stein

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                                  jwdd27 wrote: Argentina (1): Pochettino
                                  Simeone too?

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                                    Managed but never played for your country

                                    Between Willie Ormond's departure in 1977 and Alex McLeish's appointment in 2007 not one Scotland boss had actually played for Scotland (Berti Vogts had played for West Germany, but that doesn't count).

                                    In the interim, Ally Macleod, Jock Stein, Alex Ferguson, Andy Roxburgh, Craig Brown and Walter Smith all managed the nation they won a combined total of 0 caps for.

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                                      Managed but never played for your country

                                      Cesare Prandelli
                                      Marcello Lippi
                                      Azeglio Vicini
                                      Arrigo Sacchi

                                      Enzo Bearzot got one cap.

                                      Also:
                                      Fernando Santos
                                      Jose Villalonga

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                                        Managed but never played for your country

                                        I was wondering if there was some basis to any assertion that to be a manager of a team going to an international finals, it would help to have been to one as a player. But increasingly, as this list grows, it seems to make no difference at all.

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                                          Kevchenko wrote:
                                          Originally posted by Carnivorous Vulgaris
                                          Martin O'Neill.
                                          Giovanni Trapattoni.
                                          Brian Kerr.
                                          Jack Charlton.
                                          I think the rule is that they have to have been eligible to have been capped by the country they managed, but weren't.
                                          Mad Mart was eligible (along with a 700 million strong Worldwide diaspora admittedly )

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                                            Duncan Gardner wrote:
                                            Originally posted by Kevchenko
                                            Originally posted by Carnivorous Vulgaris
                                            Martin O'Neill.
                                            Giovanni Trapattoni.
                                            Brian Kerr.
                                            Jack Charlton.
                                            I think the rule is that they have to have been eligible to have been capped by the country they managed, but weren't.
                                            Mad Mart was eligible (along with a 700 million strong Worldwide diaspora admittedly )
                                            Yes, until he played for NI.

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                                              Bob Bradley never played professionally anywhere, as far as I can tell.
                                              Bruce Arena did have one cap for the US, IIRC. Back in the early 70s when the USMNT barely existed.

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                                                Managed but never played for your country

                                                Argentina have only had one non-Argentine manager, Filippo Pascucci, an Italian who managed them for one game in 1934. Him aside, their non-capped managers are:

                                                The very first two managers, Ángel Vázquez and José Millán, are hard to pin down as they don't have Wikipedia pages, but they don't appear to have been capped.

                                                Juan José Tramutola, who doesn't appear to have played for them but was the officially designated director técnico at the 1930 World Cup, and was aged 27 years and 246 days when they played their first match of it. Even more impressively, he'd won the Campeonato Sudamericano (nowadays called the Copa América) as manager the previous year!

                                                Ángel Fernández Roca, who took charge for four games from 1938 to 1939, and doesn't appear to have ever played professionally at all.

                                                José Barreiro, one of the managerial trio(!) Argentina took to the 1959 Copa América, which they won, hadn't played for Argentina.

                                                José D'Amico is another who wasn't a player at all.

                                                Horacio Torres, in charge for six games between 1963 and 1964.

                                                Juan Carlos Lorenzo, the manager for the 1962 and 1966 World Cup campaigns.

                                                Alejandro Galán - known in Brazil as Jim Lópes - was never a footballer but did manage the national team twice during an extensive coaching career stretching from 1937 to 1976.

                                                Carlos Bilardo.

                                                Alfio Basile.

                                                José Pekerman.

                                                Since Pekerman, Basile's had another go and since him it's been five managers (or 'managers') in a row who've been capped, of whom three - Diego Maradona, Sergio Batista and current interim boss Julio Olarticoechea - were 1986 World Cup winners as players.

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                                                  Reflecting the fact that "management" has been a recognised occupation in North American sports since the mid-19th c (as well as a tendency to appoint foreigners), the number of US national team coaches who never got a US cap massively outnumbers those who do.

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