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What on earth are wayne rooney and roberto Baggio doing in there? Roberto Baggio is apparently in there because he didn't win a World cup with italy, which is insane. And there is a very good, non-footballing reason why real madrid and barcelona never made a bid for rooney. Until 2013 he had to live within commuting distance of Liverpool, because Colleen was heading home three or four times a week to be with her sister, who was severely disabled.
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Hilarious in that, while they actually mention Gerrard, they still can't bring themselves to mention the elephant in the room that is Beckham.
Also, if Rooney is over-rated (and I think expectations were tempered with him very early on), where does that leave Owen?
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And saying that roberto baggio went missing in a lot of big games, is to completely misunderstand what Serie A football was about back then. Being able to produce match winning moments of genius on a semi regular basis is all that the very best players in Serie A at the time were expected to do.
What next, maradona was overrated in 1986 because he only scored 10 league goals the season before, and 11 league goals the season after the world cup?
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Rooney is if anything substantially underrated. It has as much to do with looking for a transfer twice as anything else.
Also, if Rooney is over-rated (and I think expectations were tempered with him very early on), where does that leave Owen?
it's worth pointing out that neither Messi nor Ronaldo were able to match the expectations that a lot of english fans had of Rooney, to wit, that he was going to win the world cup entirely by himself. And they were playing in teams that could string more than three passes together.
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to point out that he didn't win a world cup, does somewhat ignore the role he had in dragging italy so far in 1990 and 1994. And that 1994 team were no great shakes. They were a john sheridan shot off the crossbar away from being eliminated in the group stage.
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The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote: Rooney is if anything substantially underrated. It has as much to do with looking for a transfer twice as anything else.
Also, if Rooney is over-rated (and I think expectations were tempered with him very early on), where does that leave Owen?
it's worth pointing out that neither Messi nor Ronaldo were able to match the expectations that a lot of english fans had of Rooney, to wit, that he was going to win the world cup entirely by himself. And they were playing in teams that could string more than three passes together.
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Baggio is one of the greatest attacking players in Italian history -- up there with Rivera and Mazzola for sure, and ahead of even the likes of Antognoni, Riva and Zola. Anyone who genuinely believes he is overrated knows nothing at all about football.
But then these things generally are a pile of old horse poop.
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That Rooney is on this list says more about the unfeasibly high estimation of his ability held by much of the media than about Rooney himself.
Glad to see Carrick top of the other list, though I don't recall the telegraph clamouring much for his inclusion when left out of countless England teams/squads in the past. Perhaps he's inherited Paul Scholes's mantle as the default 'vastly underrated, best of his generation, would have won 100 caps if he was Spanish', English midfielder, and will top every list like this for the next five years.
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Three Times A Reddy wrote: That under-rated list they've also got is better but still not perfect - I'd have had Recoba, Chivu and Forlan on there for a start.
Chivu looked a great player in his early 20s, but went to hell after that.
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Diego forlan won two european golden boots, and the golden ball at the 2010 world cup. The only people with reason to underrate him are man utd fans, But they sang his name even before he went from overeager disaster, to goalscoring god. And they still sing it at virtually every game, long after it weht from badge of shame, to almost a badge of pride to only concede two goals to diego forlan. He was banging on about it in his Newspaper column that he writes in Dubai.
Diego Forlan is great. and possibly the least uruguayan footballer ever. .
Chivu was a very good player at ajax, and I saw him being harangued by some Dutch journalist cunt, who wasn't recording it or anything. He was just bending Chivu's ear about how Ajax had abandoned their principles in some abstract way.
he patiently and politely explained that they were playing at a substantial financial disadvantage, and they had to make the most of the players at their disposal, so the challenge was to find a way of playing that used Their players in the most effective means, but that the fundamental philosophy remained intact. Basically someone wanted more or less wingers.
I can't remember which. This is back when they had Zlatan, and Mido looked amazing, and they also had sneijder, van der vaart, nigel de jong, and steven pienaar. They had hatem trabelsi at right back, john o'brien at left back, and chivu playing in the centre of defence.
Anyway, he would have been within his rights to just walk away from the journalist, because he was just being a cunt. But I was very impressed at the fluency and the accuracy of the way that he talked in what wasn't even his third language.
I remember at the time not being very impressed with Rio Ferdinand, who got himself banned, and was then photographed at dinner with the chelsea top brass, while in contract discussions with man utd. And I remember saying on here that I would have been happy for man utd to sell Ferdinand to Chelsea and buy chivu. Lets just say their careers went on considerably different trajectories.
He went to Roma, got Injured, and I'm pretty sure it's him that is the unnamed Roma player who asked them to go easy in the 7-1 game. He then went to inter, and won the Champions league, but he became a kind pale shadow of what you thought he might become. Arsenal should have bought him from ajax, or he should have gone to spain, where Real Madrid and Barcelona were always supposed to be just about to sign him. Chivu isn't underrated. He just kind of fizzled out. Italian football was the last place that a dutch style defender like him should have gone. It's never worked out for anyone.
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Very good point about the role of a Baggio in Serie A back then, he was a 'fantasista', nothing was asked from him but that one moment of genius that would unlock a tactical battle and afford an advantage to his team. That has been the credo of Italian football for a long time, Herrera's 'genius in midfield' comment recalled...
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G-Man wrote: The entry for Valderama is churlish and lacks understanding of the dstinction between being famous and being highly rated.
I assume it was written by an intern rather than by Henry Winter. I stopped reading after the third slide.
It might not even have been an intern writing - does the Telegraph have a "bring your child to work" day?
Re: Chivu - that just might be personal feelings getting in the way, another of my Pro Evo Master League mainstays. I do think he was better in Italy than some seem to think though.
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That's a good point. Valderrama pretty much was that Colombia team and, considering that at that time they were almost all playing for Colombian clubs, their record was great.
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Three Times A Reddy wrote: That under-rated list they've also got is better but still not perfect - I'd have had Recoba, Chivu and Forlan on there for a start.
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