Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

[beak]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

I think it's great, considering the state of Merseyside twenty years ago (open goal).

And I've been acculturated towards hating Scousers.

[Auntie Beryl]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

Wow. Can't imagine a Wembley final with (pick two from) Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs chanting "London, London" for five minutes.

Cultural cringe?

[Kowalski]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

It's very sad indeed that relations have descended to the present level.

[rick derris]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

Can I add my bit, saw an interview on TV the other day with liverpool and everton fans saying no big deal, its always been hostile this fixture

I was at the first all liverpool fa cup final in 1986, we had tickets for the everton end. it was 3-1 to liverpool, lineker scored for everton and rush (2) and johnston for lpool

what was interesting was the number of reds in the liverpool end who sang their heads off all game with no trouble, also when everton went 1-0 up a few everton flags went up on the liverpool end.

In addition, there was a 10 min chant of 'merseyside'. The crowd seemed to be about 95% scouse.

Don't think that could happen nowadays for many reasons.

oh, it was also the first match i saw (live or on TV) where the fans let a flare off. liverpool end as the teams came out

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

HB's post 5288 said what I meant by my previous post.

[Outside Agent]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

Harry Carpenter wrote:
[quote]hobbes wrote:

Out of interest, why "even Andy Gray"? He worships Gerrard, doesn't he?

Not really. And he's toffee through and through.

Not forgetting Andy Gray's reaction when Gerrard netted the late winner against Olympiakos in December 2004 - "Ooooooooooooh youuuuuuuu beautayyyyyyyyy". Like all of the big-name stars, particularly the English ones, Gray is up his arse.

[beak]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

Size isn't everything, boys.

[Brandenburger Toro]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

I don't like *you*, I don't much mind that.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

I bet he won't like that.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

bold little Disingenuous toro. Isn't he so bold and so little. Now run along and play with your things, and don't get too upsetty wetty when you get stuffed tonight.

[hobbes]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

It's quite fair to mention it on a thread about the increasing poisonous atmosphere of the Mersey derby because it is a significant contributory factor.

Oh I quite agree. The point I was making was that it's the pompous overreaction to the comment as much as the comment itself that's the problem. It was a dumb thing to say. Y'know, get over it.

[hobbes]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

He isn't doing that -- he's saying that your mentions of Benitez being "overweight and Spanish" don't have any relevance to what's being discussed.

And if you read the original post, you'll notice that the "Portly Spaniard" bit was the least relevant part of a post in which the more relevant part is being studiously avoided by those who are obviously only on this thread spoiling for a fight. Swap "portly spaniard" for "football manager" and it doesn't affect my point in any way, except for not allowing Lodz a disingenuous diversion and not giving the Mancs on here a tiny thread to pull at.

I can't imagine how pissed off you would have been

I would have thought "twat" hoped we beat them next time and got on with my life, to be honest. It wouldn't be the worst thing my team have been accused of down the years.

[Ray de Galles]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

I have to say at the time I gave Benitez the benefit of the doubt about the "small club" comment , seeing it as clumsy english rather than a calculated dig.

It's quite fair to mention it on a thread about the increasing poisonous atmosphere of the Mersey derby because it is a significant contributory factor.

[Brandenburger Toro]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

I'm going to say this once, and once only.

"He's just a portly Spaniard, don't take it so seriously" is an appropriate response to some things that a portly Spaniard might say.

That there is at least one thing a portly Spaniard has said, ever, that it is not an appropriate response to does not make it inappropriate in this case, because if Lodz. is claiming an analogy between the two comments, he's totally mistaken.

Got that?

And your n-word/black shit distinction is (a) entirely irrelevant and (b) less acute when you remember he was (presumably) speaking Spanish.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

there was nothing throwaway about benitez's small club comment. what he actually said was "When you play against the smaller teams at Anfield you know the game will be narrow." Given the way that liverpool usually play, that comment is laughable.

Also When as at that point, you have finished behind your clubs major local rivals as often as you have outdone them, you are in no position to call them a smaller team. Benitez was just being a cock.

I can't imagine how pissed off you would have been if fergie came out after the recent massacre at old trafford and said that "it was a brave performance from a smaller club that was hopelessly out of its depth."

and aragones called henry "that black shit" not a "nigger". and your criticism of what is a rather fair point is just stupid. It doesn't matter how offensive the insults that are being compared is. The point is that being a fat spaniard doesn't detract from the offensiveness of your comments.

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

you are not seriously comparing Aragones revolting racist comments about Henry with a chuckaway jibe about a football club's size

He isn't doing that -- he's saying that your mentions of Benitez being "overweight and Spanish" don't have any relevance to what's being discussed.

[hobbes]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

You've got me and Toro agreeing on something. That's how ludicrous your argument is.

[Brandenburger Toro]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

Oh come on.

Your (Freudian?) outrage over the "small club" jibe was ludicrously disproportionate to begin with, but comparing it to the N-bomb?

You do your case no favours.

[hobbes]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

Oh you are not seriously comparing Aragones revolting racist comments about Henry with a chuckaway jibe about a football club's size? If you are you really really need to revaluate your priorities.

Hobbes to be precise Benitez said it in his post match interview following the 0-0 draw at Anfield.

Sir, I stand corrected.

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

I will let things go when I want to let things go.

The fact that he is overweight and Spanish does not excuse his comments - would you condone Luis Aragones's comments about Thierry Henry for the same reason?

[joey wilson]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

Hobbes to be precise Benitez said it in his post match interview following the 0-0 draw at Anfield.

[hobbes]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

That's really (probably intentionally) demeaning to a whole club's fans and history, not just a 'tabloid' comment. I mean, how the hell dare he?? Are we supposed to meekly accept what he says?? ...

Oh good grief. Does it really bother you that much? It was a throwaway dig before a big match. Ferguson comes out with worse all the time. Shit, Moyes is constantly banging on before a derby about what a failure Benitez is and how Liverpool should be doing better in the league. Let it go, for fucks sake. Mind games are part of it. Are you really that insecure in your team that a portly Spaniard from over the way calling you small is enough to send you into coniptions? Perhaps it's a case of protesting too much?

[Bored Of Education]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

I seem to think he alludes to it in "Flat Back Four" which I must reread

[Ray de Galles]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

hobbes wrote:

Out of interest, why "even Andy Gray"? He worships Gerrard, doesn't he?

Not really. And he's toffee through and through.

He really isn't, he played more times for Villa, Wolves and Dundee United than he did for Everton in the two seasons he was there. There's never really been any major displays of old club affection of the Hansen/Lawrenson/Lineker style with Gray's TV work.

I've met him and (as HB says above) he proffessed that his club was Rangers. I may be imagining it but I also seem to remember some bitterness towards Everton for their treatment of him when they got Lineker.

[Kowalski]

Everton try to end war of words with Liverpool

Some Evertonian opinion, may be of some use here.

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/07-08/comment/mailbag/mailbagitem.asp?submissionID=4945