Resurrecting this because I'm thinking of a project trying to get hold of a programme for a certain date every year I've been alive. PM me if you want to rehome some programmes.
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Unrelated to the previous post, but I spent a couple of hours tonight scanning programmes from some of the games I've been to in the past 25 years. Always a bit of a time capsule.
They used to print attendance league tables. When did that stop?
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Matchday programmes - the beginning of end? The EFL are to vote on whether producing a programme should be mandatory as they make such a loss on them:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/43959769
About 8 years ago all the money ran out at Grays Athletic and they completed that season in the conference and took demotion to the Isthmian league. During that last season the programme suddenly went from being a glossy edition with photo's to a paper / cardboard edition just ten pages long. It was cheaper and still gave me the information I wanted about who's playing, league table etc. Maybe this is the way forward: cheaper and smaller programmes rather than a £4 matchday "souvenir" programme.
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- Oct 2011
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- Cambridgeshire
- Ipswich (convert)
- Those chocolate-coated ring-shaped ones you get at Christmas
The Barrow one clearly used the same cover page for all their home league matches that season. The Barnet one also basically did but has a little window to print/type/stamp the details of the fixture in. And they use only the club colour as well as black, rather than full colour.
Edit - apologies, I think the Barnet one reads Southern League Premier Division rather than Alliance.
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Originally posted by Paul S View PostMaybe this is the way forward: cheaper and smaller programmes rather than a £4 matchday "souvenir" programme.
And while we're on this subject, does anyone know if there are rules in Germany about producing match programmes? I go there quite a lot and sometimes it's a real faff trying to find one. It seems as if some clubs only produce one because they have to. They also vary hugely in style and cost. For example, on my most recent visit I found the following:
Bremen: decent 'traditional' magazine format, widely available in newsagents, but barely promoted at the stadium itself. 2 euros.
Hannover: newspaper-style. Widely available and free but because of the format I doubt very many saw out the day.
Osnabrück: Small folded sheet covering two games. You'd probably throw it straight in recycling if it came through your door. Only available, as far as I could see, in the club shop. Free.Last edited by Capybara; 01-05-2018, 12:15.
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Carlisle tried the slimmed down programme a few seasons back - a quid for 16 pages (I think) of information relating to that day's match. It clearly didn't meet with whatever their expectations were for it as the following year they reverted to a standard edition.
Coventry and Rochdale have consistently produced good programmes in recent years and both have already said they'll carry on regardless of the vote. Suspect the clubs behind it are those where the programme has never been a priority - the likes of Bradford / Reading / Luton etc.
Some hoppers at my game last night also mentioned there is a side effect in that many EFL clubs get their programmes printed locally and there will be an impact on the local print company.
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- Mar 2008
- 9832
- Tyne 'n' Wear (emphasis on the 'n')
- Dundee Utd, Gladbach, Atleti, Napoli, New Orleans Saints, Elgin City
I started a database the other week to start trying to keep track of progs I have. partly cos late night ebaying sometimes means I buy ones I've already got...
Ms Felicity was helping out on keyboards (while I sat on the floor surrounded by the piles of 'matchday magazines') and created fields for opponents/score/competition and then 'comments.'
Most of the latter were blank, or just if I remembered I went on the away bus or with particular friends or relatives but one involved staying up all night after the memorable victory; getting pies and bridies straight from the oven at a local bakery-factory then getting the crack-of-dawn train back to Sunderland to invigilate an exam and finding myself sitting opposite Alan Cummings and Saffron Burrows, then very much an item. I could almost taste those pies. Which suggests the exercise may prove worthwhile.
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Originally posted by longeared View PostCarlisle tried the slimmed down programme a few seasons back - a quid for 16 pages (I think) of information relating to that day's match. It clearly didn't meet with whatever their expectations were for it as the following year they reverted to a standard edition.
Assumed programme sales are a staple of the type of "message board maths" equation that is popular on our board - that if the club lowered ticket prices more people would come, and they'd all buy a programme, a pint and a pie (and anything else beginning with p (actually that works twice on the beer front)) and the club would be better off overall.
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Originally posted by Capybara View PostAnd while we're on this subject, does anyone know if there are rules in Germany about producing match programmes?
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I think the first club programmes to go will be secondary cup games (like the EFL Trophy) and cup replays, which I imagine are logistically tough to write and print.
I went to the Wales C game in March and the programme was virtual - they hadn't out instructions about how to download it with a QR code on. I'm not sure that's a money saver - the design costs will still be the same, and no chance to recoup money on sales.
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The Eintracht Frankfurt programme is also a big glossy brochure for €2, available at newsagents on the morning of the game as well as inside the stadium. An absolutely worthless, unreadable PR monstrosity that I think dads buy for their kids so they can cut out the pictures. Inevitably, the 'Fan Geht Vor' fanzine is a much, much better read, and often comes with DVDs, stickers and postcards. €1, but it costs more if there's a DVD included.
I was impressed that Brigg Town went to the trouble of producing a fairly decent effort when I was there in March. Though usually at that level there's the same club history in every edition that takes up three or four pages.
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Originally posted by imp View PostI was impressed that Brigg Town went to the trouble of producing a fairly decent effort when I was there in March. Though usually at that level there's the same club history in every edition that takes up three or four pages.
On the cost-effectiveness aspect, the club I was doing it for sold a season's worth of advertising in the programme to about 35 local businesses. At about £50 a pop, that's a decent wedge of cash to have ahead of the season when you tend to need it most - new kit, new equipment, ground refurbs and updates etc. Regardless of whether the programme sales broke even as the year went by (though given they were knocking them out on the Welfare Club's printer on the sly and pleading ignorance when it ran out of ink, I suspect it did) that cash was crucial when it came in.
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Originally posted by Бога Нет View Post
I have to declare an interest as I have over 10,000 West Ham programmes going back to 1908 including every first team programme back to 1944. Many are on this site http://whu-programmes.co.uk/
As an aside I also collected a few years ago a programme for every club from their first game after I was born, 6th March 1967. Just opened the draw where I keep them to have a browse and I am drawn to the Oldham programme which is awkwardly large compared to the other 91. Among the gems: the Chairman describes Rhodesia (where the club would be touring that Summer) as being a "wonderful country" - a letter suggesting a supporters club should be organised by the club gets short shrift "The secretary is too busy trying to run a FOOTBALL club" - one article notes that the BBC had offered the league one million pounds to televise one live game every Thursday evening throughout the season (I had no idea this was proposed so early) - a history of the Miss Oldham Athletic beauty pageant (running since 1959!!). The real eye opener though was the identity of the chairman - three clues - he had a beard, was full of opinions and later became a rather controversial figure further south (and later still, further north) Even this week he is in the news again for all the wrong reasons. No prizes.Last edited by colchestersid; 08-06-2018, 19:53.
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I'm sorting out my Dad's hoard.
We have a load of programmes, tickets, fanzines etc to get rid of, dating back to the 80s.
They are broadly as follows
Shrewsbury home and away
Wales
Wrexham
Misc clubs, mainly non league, lots of Telford
Fanzines & similar
These are free to anyone who wants to drive to Shrewsbury to pick them up. If your team has been shit enough to play Shrewsbury regularly there will be programmes galore from games with them.
Any takers?
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
Last edited by Capybara; 14-09-2020, 13:21.
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- Mar 2008
- 7572
- Off the purple line
- I'm slutty: Roma (on haitus until I can forgive them for hiring Jose), Liverpool, and Dortmund
- Del Taco
Originally posted by Paul S View Post
The photos of the programme shop seem to fall into (1) even if the text claims that there is an organizational system. I am not a programme collector, but it seems like this business is going to fade either way given the posts above about programmes moving to digital platforms. But maybe a shop could survive in a city if programmes were part of the shop's focus, with books and other football memorabilia rounding out the shop's products.
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- Mar 2008
- 9832
- Tyne 'n' Wear (emphasis on the 'n')
- Dundee Utd, Gladbach, Atleti, Napoli, New Orleans Saints, Elgin City
There’s a shop in Newcastle that does that- loads of progs but a range of vintage and new memorabilia too. I have twice used it for last-minute birthday presents ‘Hello, what Forest stuff have you got...?’ and the holy grail of finding the birth date programme of the person whose 40th it is.
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