Eu Turn and Other Managerial Changes in 2021-22

[Antepli Ejderha]

John Eustace was all set to be appointed as the new Swansea manager yesterday but pulled out for reasons not yet known.

This follows the departure of Steve Cooper after he'd taken charge of the first friendly of the season.

It's a mess again.

[Capybara]

John Terry has left Aston Villa.

[ad hoc]

Aston Villa's likeability quotient has just skyrocketed.

[Ray de Galles]

I thought the title was going to be about Brexit somehow hindering managers from mainland Europe's chances of managing in Britain.

[Capybara]

Aston Villa's likeability quotient has just skyrocketed.

Heh! I guess some other club's likeability quotient is about to plummet.

[Antepli Ejderha]

And I've got a feeling it's ours.

[Antepli Ejderha]

And I've got a feeling it's ours.

Odds on favourite, we're currently interviewing Jody Morris. I presume we'll get to Barton soon.

[ursus arctos]

Jeezus

The short list from hell

[Antepli Ejderha]

Jeezus

The short list from hell

Barton isn't on it yet.

It could also be the nightmare team of Terry and Morris.

[ursus arctos]

Bringing the spirit of the Heathrow Departure Lounge on 9/12 to the Liberty.

Im so sorry.

[Amor de Cosmos]

John Eustace was all set to be appointed as the new Swansea manager yesterday but pulled out for reasons not yet known.

This follows the departure of Steve Cooper after he'd taken charge of the first friendly of the season.

It's a mess again.

Yeah, Eustace sounded both irritated and disappointed. (he'd have been an excellent choice BTW.)

[Antepli Ejderha]

Personal reasons is now what's being said for him turning us down.

[Amor de Cosmos]

Yeah, that's what we're hearing. Though there's rumour he's a bit p-o'd about it.

I think Angel Rangel should maybe be given a shot. I believe his family still lives in the Swansea area and he was a real mentor to our younger players.

[Antepli Ejderha]

He's not been mentioned at all but would be a good move. Alan Tate or Cameron Toshack similarly would be positives.

But Terry or Morris, never. At least Lampard has a decent pedigree, seems like an OK person and has played for Swansea.

[Antepli Ejderha]

Russell Martin now appears to have turned us down.

Chris Wilder had come from nowhere to become the bookies favourite.

[Antepli Ejderha]

Russell Martin now appears to have turned us down.

Chris Wilder had come from nowhere to become the bookies favourite.

And in the end he didn't. Russell Martin joins us from Franchise, it's better than Terry or Morris. The latter is expected to replace Martin.

[Capybara]

Chris Hughton has been dismissed by Nottingham Forest which is a shame as he seems a decent sort. It's almost as if being beaten by the likes of Middlesbrough is the last straw. We did it twice in the same season for Blackburn once.

[elguapo4]

There's always been a large proportion of the Irish football community who've wanted Hughton for the main job, either way, he won't be out of a job for long.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

I really like Chris hughton a lot but that would be a terrible backwards step. Some people may quibble about the levels, but you could see with dundalk and the u-21's that kenny can coach a team to successfully play modern attacking pressing football. I've yet to see any evidence that Chris hughton can do this.

That's what cost him at Brighton and now at forest.

[Amor de Cosmos]

Forest are one of a number of Div 2 sides for whom the rubber is likely to hit the road hard this season. They've a hugely bloated, mismatched squad due the fourteen managers they've employed in the past ten years. They're rumoured to be looking to Europe for the next victim. He'll be a lucky man if he's not managing them in Div 3 next season

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

This is the real problem for an awful lot of clubs isn't it. There's two ways it goes wrong. If you don't appoint a manager who has the same tactical philosophy and approach, you've suddenly made most of your current squad look useless, and the new man makes a couple of signings, but can't get his system to work because of the hopelessly mismatched squad, he gets the blame and is fired, leading to another change in direction rendering half the squad useless and the cycle continues

Or as is more likely neither manager had a discernible style of play, and is signing players that are the same quality as players you had already, because he's worked with them before, or because they share an agent, or just for the bungs.

the only real way around it is for clubs to take a medium term view, pick a way of playing, find a coach that plays that way, and give him time to assemble a squad that can play that way, and has two players for each position. The players don't have to be amazing or anything, the fact that they can all play in the required fashion, and you have like for like replacements.

if it turns out that the coach you appointed is shite, then appoint another who plays a similar way so he can work with the squad you have assembled. That way you don't wind up with pointless duplication and a squad half full of players you can't use.

The problem with this is you need a medium to long term strategy, and you need patience, and balls of steel. And all of those things are in extremely short supply in football

[cantagalo]

A medium to long term strategy is exactly what's missing at Forest.

In true Forest fashion, the next man in the hot seat is rumoured to be Steve Cooper. To get them playing the way he wants there's going to have to be another big clearout and the patience to wait two or three years.

The average tenure of a Forest manager over the last decade is approximately 12 months.

[longeared]

Hughton's well known for being picky about what jobs he takes on, he's not one of those managers who feels the need to jump straight back into work at the first available opportunity. Given the choices he's made in the past it begs the question of what he saw in Forest in the first place, they've been a dumpster fire for years, full of short termism and the new-ish owners who think that there's no problem that can't be solved by throwing money at it. I could see him doing alright at Ireland if he ended up there though, he seems temperamentally suited to managing at international level and although his style of football hits a ceiling eventually he could do like Clarke's done with Scotland and maximise resources with some fairly limited football.

Also I see he's 62 now. How did that happen?

[Antepli Ejderha]

A medium to long term strategy is exactly what's missing at Forest.

In true Forest fashion, the next man in the hot seat is rumoured to be Steve Cooper. To get them playing the way he wants there's going to have to be another big clearout and the patience to wait two or three years.

The average tenure of a Forest manager over the last decade is approximately 12 months.

Cooper worked miracles at Swansea but wasn't loved because he didn't play football the Swansea way. What he managed to get out of Andre Ayew, for example, was unbelievable.

[nmrfox]

2 points from 7 games and Harry Kewell gets the bullet from Barnet.