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I didn't watch this game but was surprised to see Loftus-Cheek listed as a Fulham scorer as I didn't realise he was at the club.
He seems quite an established player at an advanced stage of his career to be sent on a season's loan, even for renowned stockpilers Chelsea.
I know he missed a lot of 19/20 with an injury but seems to have played quite a bit after the restart.
If Chelsea aren't going to give a 24 year old with 10 England caps enough games then why not just sell him?
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Originally posted by jameswba View PostNot quite like Thierry Henry against Ireland actually. No point talking about Robinson hitting the bar either, as someone was probably a tenth of a millimetre offside in the build-up to it or something.
Originally posted by ChrisJ View PostThe other incident... apart from missing two fouls committed by Maguire on the WBA forward on the right (Grant?) who centred the ball, it really wasn't a clear an obvious error, or even an error at all. That Fernandez is a lovely player going forward, but if I was OGS, I think I'd fine him a week's wages any time he decides to help out the defence.
If you watch how this is discussed on tv, pundits take "Clear and obvious" to mean "Common sense", and no amount of stating what it means is going to change their mind.
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View PostI didn't watch this game but was surprised to see Loftus-Cheek listed as a Fulham scorer as I didn't realise he was at the club.
He seems quite an established player at an advanced stage of his career to be sent on a season's loan, even for renowned stockpilers Chelsea.
I know he missed a lot of 19/20 with an injury but seems to have played quite a bit after the restart.
If Chelsea aren't going to give a 24 year old with 10 England caps enough games then why not just sell him?
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Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostI like how when the rules work against the BRCs we get screeds telling us how we are all English brexit gammons for not embracing change but when the rules keep OGS in his job they must be enforced without mercy.
In the second instance, these are the rules that are applied across the entirety of european football. it's the people that suggest that they should be enforced differently to ensure a negative outcome for man utd are the ones that really need to do a bit more to explain why they are right.
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Your inconsistency is laughable. Basically when people said Klopp and Pep should suck it up and play within the established rules you threw a hysterical tantrum and reached for the worst OTF insults you could to ad hom the argument. But then when it's a case of Bruno Fernandes getting away with kicking someone and having a second chance to not fuck up a penalty you reached for the same set of insults to decry anyone who thinks differently to you. Well that's fine. It's your approach to football. Some people touch corner flags and don't count nil-nils. Some people prefer to watch games pissed. You like to call everyone and everything gammon. Each to their own.
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I've already said that I think the key decisions in yesterday's game were right as the rules stand. I initially thought the Gallager/Fernandes incident was a pen, but replays showed it wasn't. The handball was a handball, and Johnstone was very clearly off his line before Fernandes hit his first effort. A properly-placed assistant who was actually watching should easily have spotted this without the ensuing VAR kerfuffle.
So the only thing to add is that if Albion do one day get awarded a pen vs Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea or whoever, the officials and VAR had better be watching the 'keeper's feet more closely than a hawk watches its prey. What will probably happen is that VAR goes up in smoke and no retake can be ordered because refs have been instructed that 'VAR decides these matters'. Or something.
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View PostHas any thought been given to establishing a separate VAR forum so that the subject doesn't clog up the Football one so much?
Anyway I'm bored with both VAR and with myself for bleating about VAR. I usually do something slightly more interesting with my Sundays, but not this one obviously. Perhaps I'll try to at least rescue the evening by rearranging the bookshelves or something.
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There are at least three threads in Football with VAR in the title.
This one appears to be the longest
https://www.onetouchfootball.com/for...liant-isn-t-it
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Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostBasically when people said Klopp and Pep should suck it up and play within the established rules you threw a hysterical tantrum and reached for the worst OTF insults you could to ad hom the argument.
Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostBut then when it's a case of Bruno Fernandes getting away with kicking someone and having a second chance to not fuck up a penalty you reached for the same set of insults to decry anyone who thinks differently to you
Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View PostYou like to call everyone and everything gammon. Each to their own.
We do our own weird national cultural thing that drives me around the bend, but at least I recognise it and methodically check my thinking for it.
I don't know if it is possible to separate VAR discussions into their own thread, as they are the new way of talking about refereeing. And a huge amount of coverage of football in the UK is given over to it. The easiest way to reduce the focus on it, is for everyone to agree to just accept that that's the way things are now, and learn about how it works, so you can follow what is going on. It's a change that has plenty of things going for it, far in excess of the shortcomings it imposes. to focus on the shortcomings because it's not what you are used to is pointless and counter productive, largely because you will eventually get used to it. It's not going to go away, so complaining about its existence is just pointless venting that only winds up making you angrier than you were before. You may as well be complaining about floodlights being unnatural, how vinyl is better than digital music, the repeal of the corn laws, or women getting the vote. It's just one of an incredibly long list of changes that takes place in football on a regular basis. There is no reason for people to get this angry about it. People aren't going crazy about VAR to this degree in any other country. It's a cultural thing. Fight against it .There are more important things to worry about. Your country is driving its plague ridden national bus over a cliff into total bankruptcy, economic ruin and fascism, and you're all on board. Too much time is given over to talking about VAR.Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 22-11-2020, 18:50.
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Originally posted by TonTon View PostYeah, I don't recall seeing much English top-flight action in the matchgoing threads.
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@TAB The funny thing is I started out agreeing with you on that other thread. But didn't agree enough or in the right way and you got all frothy.
I'm sure the altruism of the BRCs is all that motivates them. Geewillikers, I wish I could be less cynical and accept all their wonderful plans to save football.
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I go to PL games. Or did. No one goes to anything since the great air plague of 2020. Now I just watch on telly like I used to, and in some ways it's preferable.
I used to really like gammon but I'd feel awkward ordering it now. Tarnished, like the name Karen. It's a shame.
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