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David Conn's article is odd because it assumes you can detach the 25% payment to the EFL from the destructive bulk of the package, as if the main motive of the proposers is to help the EFL.
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Southampton: a late period Judge Dredd novelty single
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My Southampton supporting friends are trying to say "Yeah, well, as one of the established Big Nine..," while keeping a straight face, but they can't manage it.
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Given the DCMS statement, here's a suggestion for Oliver Dowden.
Let the Government bail out the EFL and National League and recoup the money with a windfall tax on the Premier League.
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I never imagined that in a situation with Oliver Dowden on one side and David Conn the other, I'd be on Dowden's side.
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Originally posted by Sean of the Shed View PostMy Name Is Ian has wasted no time at all. Excellent article on 200%.
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Originally posted by Wouter D View PostWho are the fans you're asking about? These decisions are not made with you or me in mind; they follow the TV money coming from the hordes of armchair fans emerging in Asia. Would they find it boring?
As ale and Walt Flanagans Dog have eloquently pointed out above, though, creating self-reinforcing elites or closed shops won't magically make every fixture the biggest and best and most lucrative thing ever. The sticking point that the prospective Superleaguers have never seemed to appreciate is that when the elite only ever face each other, not only does it become mundane – as already witnessed in how dull it is to have them meeting routinely in European competition every season, compared with how much more rare and thrilling it was in the pre-Champions League era – but also, by definition, not everyone can remain top dogs. You can't have an entire pack made up of alphas. I don't see how even Real Madrid v Barcelona, say, can retain its cachet if they're fighting it out for 4th and 5th spot in Season X of the MegaUltraDuperLeague behind, say, Bayern, PSG and Man City.
As the saying goes, stuff yer superleague.Last edited by Various Artist; 11-10-2020, 23:04.
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Originally posted by Paul S View PostHow many fans will actually watch this? Seeing the same teams playing each other week in week out is very boring and I can't see how this will generate the millions they think it will.
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Originally posted by Walt Flanagans Dog View Post
There is also the issue that has been pointed out before (on here maybe, or in the magazine itself) that the big clubs need to maintain some sort of status of glory to continue to attract fans (or maintain the ones they have, in the global "market"). If you're even the 4th or 5th ranked Premier League club you won a lot more games than you lose - joining a breakaway European league could well mean becoming permanent bottom-halfers, losing more than you win. Hence the big clubs need the smaller English clubs as cannon fodder to build their image of invincibility.
The lower eleven should be breaking away.
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Originally posted by ChrisJ View PostFour loan players from one EPL club -> 'special relationship'; then when it becomes 5 or 6 players, maybe some sort of exclusivity becomes part of the deal. "And as we're generously paying big chunk of their wages, maybe we should decide when and whether they play."
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Originally posted by ale View Post
This has always puzzled me about European League break aways. Selecting 20 clubs from richest Leagues still means only 3 or 4 are going to be chasing the main title. So 15 or so clubs going to be going half a season or more with nothing to play for-on reasonable assumption relegation wont be built in. And there will be no historical rivalries or local derbies to raise enthusiasm. Still less opportunities to travel away en masse. Could be wrong but how attractive for say 14th place is Man Utd v Lyon going to be (insert own teams)
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostCan they dictate to the EFL how many clubs they have? Why is it not acceptable to have 25 clubs in the 3rd and 4th tiers, for example?
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Before I posted earlier I wrote a para on this being the Trojan horse for feeder clubs/EPL-B, which I deleted thinking it a bit tinfoil hat and melodramatic. Later, listening to 5Live for the Wales commentary, the collected pundits, reporters and presenters lined up to give the whole project a collective kicking* which quite surprised me given how awestruck they usually are in the presence of greatness (defined as English club in Champions League). One pundit (missed who) started talking about teams like Bolton having to accept de facto feeder club status to survive if this was to all go through.
Four loan players from one EPL club -> 'special relationship'; then when it becomes 5 or 6 players, maybe some sort of exclusivity becomes part of the deal. "And as we're generously paying big chunk of their wages, maybe we should decide when and whether they play."
*I would however point out to Clinton Morrison(I think?) who said "No-one wants the League Cup" that he might recall how important a bit of a run in the League cup is to lower league clubs like Colchester and Exeter where he wound up.
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Originally posted by Paul S View PostHow many fans will actually watch this? Seeing the same teams playing each other week in week out is very boring and I can't see how this will generate the millions they think it will.
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Originally posted by Paul S View PostHow many fans will actually watch this? Seeing the same teams playing each other week in week out is very boring and I can't see how this will generate the millions they think it will.
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Originally posted by Capybara View PostAston Villa? Newcastle (even though they've been out of it three times)?
29-Arsenal Chelsea Everton Liverpool Man Utd Spurs
26-Villa & NUFC
25-West Ham
I guess the omission of Man City rules out that being the basis of selection. There is method in their madness. Even if it is madness.
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How many fans will actually watch this? Seeing the same teams playing each other week in week out is very boring and I can't see how this will generate the millions they think it will.
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Originally posted by sw2borshch View PostI guess the summer tournament is a curtain raiser to replace the charity shield? Probably offering a slightly larger amount to charity to blunt criticism?
(that last sentence got away from me a bit but I knew what I meant).
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Every single part of this can get all the way to fuck.
There is a darkly amusing aspect to our fucking government throwing shade on a naked power grab at a time of crisis, mind. Presumably they're a bit pissed off at someone appropriating their methods.
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I guess the summer tournament is a curtain raiser to replace the charity shield? Probably offering a slightly larger amount to charity to blunt criticism?
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostCan they dictate to the EFL how many clubs they have? Why is it not acceptable to have 25 clubs in the 3rd and 4th tiers, for example?
There is obviously lots to hate about this but the "Summer Premier League" (as mentioned already) and more time for pre season friendlies are both depressing choices of priorities.
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Rick Parry - a strategic plant at the EFL?
When he turned up, I remember wondering 'What the fuck is he doing there'?
I confess I also thought that at least he couldn't be worse than Shaun Harvey.
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