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The way the piece is written, you wouldn't know it was "some bloke said this to a BBC journo so I've made up a story assuming it to be true", would you? Shoddy as all giddy-up.
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Moxey is a liar, and Ridsdale is a crook. But two minutes of actually bothering to do some journalism would have avoided repeating the lie.
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And the fucking lying shits in the body of that story say "With Championship and League One clubs unanimously agreeing to support the chair Rick Parry’s proposals" - not true.
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You don't think that Risdale and Moxey speak for all 72 clubs?
Such a cynic
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The guardian really is playing fast and loose with the truth on this.
You'd think, from that, that there'd been some kind of decision made by EFL clubs, together, wouldn't you?
An earlier version of the story said that 1ll 72 clubs had supported the plans - that was a lie, and they had to change it.
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This all reminds me of the way that the bigger clubs got all the lower league clubs to vote against crowd sharing. Looking at this proposal, it seems that the mechanics of it are to use the desperation of lower league clubs, to try and strong arm the smaller premier league clubs into agreeing to changes in the PL rules, to enable the bigger clubs to more easily break the collective sale of broadcast rights, as we move inevitably towards the live streaming of games. The desperate lower league clubs are being offered the money of two of the smaller PL clubs, and in return all they have to do is become feeder clubs, so the big clubs with the big academies can fatten up their youth players a bit more before selling them on. This current situation where so many just wind up going to germany, or just leaving the club because all you can offer them is u-23 football, or the current uncertain loan system is costing them money, and if they can't have PL b teams, then they'll just take over a smaller host club, without having to pay for them.
I would expect the premier league clubs who aren't part of this special group to tell them to fuck off .One of the things that we can take from the status quo, pre covid, is that the smaller clubs in the premier league, don't give a shit if the lower league clubs live or die, any more than the bigger clubs. So this thing about getting the EFL to go along with this isn't going to work, It's also one thing to threaten to set up a break away league, it's another thing to actually do it.
This sharing more money sounds like a good idea though, They should stick with that .Though I'm not sure that they should pay for it by eliminating 16th and 17th place in the PL.Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 13-10-2020, 17:42.
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So Greg Clarke, head of the FA, has said that he was involved at first and that he walked months ago when it became clear what was going on, and has reminded everyone who (it's the FA) decides what competitions are approved and who decides (it's the FA) which league is eligible to provide entrants for UEFA competitions.
In addition, to the Special Share in the Premier League, which prevents certain changes being made to the constitution without the FA’s consent, it is also the FA’s responsibility to sanction competitions in England – including any proposed new competition – as well as being responsible for licensing clubs, through UEFA, to play in Europe. Additionally, UEFA look to us to nominate the league, and therefore the clubs, that will play in their competitions.
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View PostSquires weighs in ;
Project Big Small-print
Haydon the Womble makes an appearance , kind of wish The Dons Trust and AFC Wimbledon would make their views known too.
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That's good and strong from the FSA. Better than I expected.
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Squires weighs in ;
Project Big Small-print
Haydon the Womble makes an appearance , kind of wish The Dons Trust and AFC Wimbledon would make their views known too.Last edited by Ray de Galles; 13-10-2020, 11:49.
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So if Man U and Liverpool quit the PL to join the EFL should all the EFL clubs quit the EFL and join the PL and everyone's happy?
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The FSA speaks:
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/project-b...-cyanide-pill/
"A sugar-coated cyanide pill."
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So much to love in the sheer brazen, shamless attempt at a power grab. It really is almost admirable in it breathtaking cynicism. One of my favourite highlights is the suggestion that the plan includes a 250M payout to rescue the poor suffering EFL clubs.... then you read the small print and that 250M comes out of future TV money. And you realise that 250M is about the TV money that the bottom two who are about to be removed from the PL would earn in one season anyway
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
David Conn (whose take on this has thrown me, similar to others above) is reporting that John Henry, at least, is apparently genuine ;
Henry, who has not spoken publicly yet, is said by Parry to have genuinely informed himself about the English football pyramid since his investment group, FSG, bought Liverpool in 2010 then overhauled the club into European and Premier League champions.
Henry has understood that the 1992 formation of the Premier League was a breakaway of the Football League’s First Division clubs from sharing their TV money with the other three divisions, and since then the exponential growth of top-flight TV deals has enormously widened the financial gap. Parry has said that Henry has come to care seriously about this, and shares the view that the gap is damaging to the Championship and EFL more widely, and that parachute payments to relegated Premier League clubs are unfair and further distort the finances.
Others see Henry’s motivation springing from a more hard-headed recognition that the strength of the big clubs relies on a strong pyramid below. The plan to secure voting rights is said to be determined, springing from a view that the six should not be outvoted by smaller clubs that could be in the Premier League for only a season or two.
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"Parachute payments to relegated Premier League clubs are unfair and further distort the finances".
Yes, yes they do. However, the solution is not to take money away from the clubs that get relegated, but from all the PL clubs. Otherwise you ended up with clubs not having the opportunity to consolidate before being chucked back into the shark tank of the Championship OHHANGONAMINUTE.
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Henry wouldn't have bought Liverpool if they were still operating under pre-1992 revenues distributions. Somebody is lying to somebody and Conn is swallowing it.
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Originally posted by My Name Is Ian View Post
I just do not trust them as far as I can throw them. The idea that the Glazers, after everything, are worried about the long term sustainability of the EFL is laughable, really.
Henry, who has not spoken publicly yet, is said by Parry to have genuinely informed himself about the English football pyramid since his investment group, FSG, bought Liverpool in 2010 then overhauled the club into European and Premier League champions.
Henry has understood that the 1992 formation of the Premier League was a breakaway of the Football League’s First Division clubs from sharing their TV money with the other three divisions, and since then the exponential growth of top-flight TV deals has enormously widened the financial gap. Parry has said that Henry has come to care seriously about this, and shares the view that the gap is damaging to the Championship and EFL more widely, and that parachute payments to relegated Premier League clubs are unfair and further distort the finances.
Others see Henry’s motivation springing from a more hard-headed recognition that the strength of the big clubs relies on a strong pyramid below. The plan to secure voting rights is said to be determined, springing from a view that the six should not be outvoted by smaller clubs that could be in the Premier League for only a season or two.
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Glazers diss (Bill) Glaziers.
A recently retired EPL star worked as a glazier for 6 years before moving to full time football
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Yep. And it's obviously been presented to be a headline.
I just do not trust them as far as I can throw them. The idea that the Glazers, after everything, are worried about the long term sustainability of the EFL is laughable, really.
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25% of TV money is fuck all. I think I said that already. And so did you.
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Strong agree.
I can only assume that David Conn's rationale for his piece the other day is a presumption that these proposals would form the start of a negotiation, but I'm just not in the remotest bit convinced that they would. If anything, they're likely to be the opposite.
"25% of TV money" makes a great headline, for example, but I'm certain it'll be chipped away at until it looks nothing like what people presume it would be.
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