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  • Baptiste
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    If Rick Parry supports it, that tells you all you need to know.

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  • G-Man
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    This is a marvellous piece of gaslighting:

    "Under proposals for the new model of distribution of television revenue in the Premier League, Fenway, the driving force behind the document, insist there would be no greater share for the top six. Their stated aim is to eliminate the huge gap in earnings between Premier League and EFL clubs while in return having a greater control of the decisions made by the Premier League."

    I think I'm done with the EPL if/when this succeeds.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    I think they need 14, so 9 + 5 (see full text, 4th paragraph above).

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  • ursus arctos
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    They don't need unanimity, do they?

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  • sw2borshch
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    Originally posted by cantagalo View Post
    Don't know about you lot but I can't wait for that summer Premier League tournament.
    At least Game 39 is dead.

    Be Game 35 now.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    So how do they get the other 11 to agree to cut their own throats?

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  • cantagalo
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    Don't know about you lot but I can't wait for that summer Premier League tournament.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    They just have to wait for Southampton and West Ham to eventually get relegated, which a reduction to 18 will quicken up.

    Newcastle and Aston Villa have had more seasons in the EPL than Man City but lose out due to a more recent relegation.
    Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 11-10-2020, 14:45.

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  • Capybara
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    I suggest they send Parry to Middlesbrough to sell the idea.

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  • sw2borshch
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    Actually, it's possible that it's a ruse to get Southampton/West Ham to vote with the Sky Clubs for now and they will be deal with at a later date.

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  • Fussbudget
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    Highly amusing that in order not to make it look so obvious that they're giving the 6 big clubs more power based on how rich they are, they've had to invent this "nine clubs who have been in the Premier League for the longest" nonsense and now they're stuck with Southampton.

    (I mean, none of this is amusing but you get my drift)

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  • sw2borshch
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    Shaves a bit off the bill, I suppose.

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    Can they dictate to the EFL how many clubs they have? Why is it not acceptable to have 25 clubs in the 3rd and 4th tiers, for example?

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  • sw2borshch
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    https://www.theguardian.com/football...o-avoid-crisis

    Guardian link.

    Surely the eleven who aren't the nine won't fancy this? Will Southampton, even? A security council seat isn't that attractive if you slip off it.

    About the only fun bit is a PL side in the play-offs, but it should be 15th, not 16th.

    I mean, as I would be having 22 in the top flight, it should be 19th, but hey.

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  • ChrisJ
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    Originally posted by Sean of the Shed View Post
    Basically to me it reads as the Premier League have waited until the rest of football was on its knees then worked out how much money they need to throw at it to wrest complete control of the game from it.
    It's ​​​​​​​extortion through poverty and it stinks. The EFL clubs need to bomb out Parry if he is complicit in this, it makes him look like he is an EPL plant.
    Pretty much this and what Snake said. The rich get richer.

    These bits -

    Special status for the nine longest serving clubs – and the vote of only six of those “long-term shareholders” required to make major changes, including amending rules and regulations, agreeing contracts, removal of the chief executive, and a wide-ranging veto including on club ownership

    New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income, overseas and domestic, including proposals that base one portion on performance over three years in the league

    Huge changes to loan system allowing clubs to have 15 players out on loan domestically at any one time and up to four at a single club in England
    are chilling enough that any good points become utterly irrelevant and can presumably be changed once our new overlords no longer need anyone else’s support or vote.

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  • TonTon
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    Premier League statement continues:

    "In the Premier League’s view, a number of the individual proposals in the plan published could have a damaging impact on the whole game and we are disappointed to see that Rick Parry, Chair of the EFL, has given his on-the-record support."

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  • Sean of the Shed
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    Basically to me it reads as the Premier League have waited until the rest of football was on its knees then worked out how much money they need to throw at it to wrest complete control of the game from it.
    It's ​​​​​​​extortion through poverty and it stinks. The EFL clubs need to bomb out Parry if he is complicit in this, it makes him look like he is an EPL plant.

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  • Snake Plissken
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    Kicking out four clubs and reducing their money to get back while snarfing a bigger share of an already enormous pie for themselves. How very Premier League.

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  • TonTon
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    Full text:

    Manchester United and Liverpool are the driving force behind the biggest changes to English football in a generation and an extraordinary overhaul of the Premier League, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.
    The two clubs have worked together on a radical set of proposals – called “Project Big Picture” - that will reshape the finances of the game. The Premier League, the most lucrative sports league in the world, would see a reduction to 18 teams, and controlling power in the hands of the biggest clubs.

    In return for tearing up many of the rules that have governed the game since the Premier League’s inception in 1992 there will be ?250 million rescue package to the Football League to see them through the Covid crisis.

    The Daily Telegraph can reveal the details of the working document “Revitalisation” authored by Liverpool’s American ownership Fenway Sports Group with support from United. It anticipates the backing of the other members of the so-called big six, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur.

    In a remarkable set of proposals, which will send shockwaves through the game, 25 per cent of the Premier League’s annual revenue will go to the EFL clubs with ?250 million paid up front to see them through the current crisis. There would also be a gift of ?100 million to sustain the Football Association.

    However, there would be an abolition of the one-club, one-vote principle that has sustained the Premier League since its inception as well as the abolition of the threshold of 14 votes to pass any decision or regulation change.

    Under the new proposals, the League Cup and the Community Shield would be abolished. There have been additional discussions that the League Cup would survive but without the participation of the clubs in Europe.

    There would be two automatic promotion places for Championship clubs, but the third, fourth and fifth placed clubs would be in a play-off tournament with the 16th placed Premier League club.

    The nine clubs who have been in the Premier League for the longest - which includes the big six - would dictate its running in every aspect and would be free to play more games in the expanded Champions League that is anticipated from the 2024-2025 season onwards.

    As well as the Premier League dropping from 20 clubs to 18, there would be 24 in each of the Championship, League One and League Two making a total of 90.

    The plan is supported by the EFL chairman Rick Parry who has held talks with Liverpool’s principal owner, the American investor John W Henry, and shareholder and director Mike Gordon. In addition, Parry has spoken to the Glazer family, who own United.

    The talks began in 2017 but have been accelerated since the coronavirus pandemic has thrust football into the grip of crisis with no fans in stadiums until March at the earliest. Liverpool and United are prepared for a fierce debate over their proposals but they want them implemented as soon as possible.

    The Revitalisation document calls for immediate action to cut dramatically what it calls the “revenue chasm” in earnings from television contracts between the Premier League and the EFL. In order to discourage Championship clubs from gambling recklessly on promotion, the parachute payments system would be abolished in favour of the 25 per cent share of Premier League revenue being shared more equitably among EFL clubs.

    Under proposals for the new model of distribution of television revenue in the Premier League, Fenway, the driving force behind the document, insist there would be no greater share for the top six. Their stated aim is to eliminate the huge gap in earnings between Premier League and EFL clubs while in return having a greater control of the decisions made by the Premier League.

    The document says: “A reset of the economics and governance of the English football pyramid is long overdue”.

    The proposals also rewrite the Premier League’s 20-club democracy in favour of placing huge power in the hands of the nine clubs with the longest continual stay in the division. As things stand that is the big six, as well as Everton, Southampton and West Ham. Those nine clubs afforded “long-term shareholder status” would have unprecedented power, with the votes of just six of them required to make sweeping changes. These clubs would even be able to veto a new owner taking over a rival club.

    In an exclusive interview with The Daily Telegraph, Parry said that he had the support of many of his 72 members, many currently facing financial ruin, to go ahead with the plan. He said: “What do we do? Leave it exactly as it is and allow the smaller clubs to wither? Or do we do something about it? And you can’t do something about it without something changing. And the view of our clubs is if the [big] six get some benefits but the 72 also do, we are up for it.”

    He accepted there would be opposition from the Premier League clubs outside the big six who would see it as detrimental to their financial prospects with less money and two fewer places in the top flight.

    “It is definitely going to be challenging and it is an enormous change so that won’t be without some pain,” Parry said: “Do I genuinely think it’s for the greater good of the game as a whole? Absolutely. And if the [big] six are deriving some benefit then why shouldn’t they. Why wouldn’t they put their names to this otherwise?”

    The proposals include:

    ?250 million immediately to the EFL to compensate its clubs for lost matchday revenue, deducted from future television revenue earnings and financed by a loan taken out by the Premier League

    Special status for the nine longest serving clubs – and the vote of only six of those “long-term shareholders” required to make major changes, including amending rules and regulations, agreeing contracts, removal of the chief executive, and a wide-ranging veto including on club ownership

    Premier League to go to 18 clubs from 20

    ?100 million one-off gift to the FA to cover its coronavirus losses, the non-league game, the women’s game, the grassroots

    8.5 per cent of annual net Premier League revenue to go on operating costs and “good causes” including the FA

    From the remainder, 25 per cent of all combined Premier League and Football League revenues to go to the EFL clubs

    Six per cent of Premier League gross revenues to pay for stadium improvements across the top four divisions, calculated at ?100 per seat

    New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income, overseas and domestic, including proposals that base one portion on performance over three years in the league

    The abolition of the League Cup and the Community Shield

    24 clubs each in the Championship, League One and League Two reducing the professional game overall from 92 clubs to 90

    A women's professional league independent of the Premier League or the FA

    Two sides automatically relegated from the Premier League every season and the top two Championship teams promoted. The 16th place Premier League club in a play-off tournament with the Championship’s third, fourth and fifth placed teams.

    Financial fair play regulations in line with Uefa, and full access for Premier League executive to club accounts

    A fan charter including capping of away tickets at ?20, away travel subsidised, a focus on a return to safe standing, a minimum away allocation of eight per cent capacity

    Later Premier League start in August to give greater scope for pre-season friendlies, and requirement for all clubs to compete once every five years in a summer Premier League tournament

    Huge changes to loan system allowing clubs to have 15 players out on loan domestically at any one time and up to four at a single club in England

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  • Nurse Duckett
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    And Southampton, according to the BBC Sport report.

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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    Originally posted by sw2borshch View Post
    West Ham, then?
    That would make sense.
    Last edited by Rogin the Armchair fan; 11-10-2020, 12:15.

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  • sw2borshch
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    West Ham, then?

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  • sw2borshch
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    Ah, misunderstood the question!

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  • sw2borshch
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    Leeds, at a guess.

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  • Capybara
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    Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View Post
    Who are the other three of the nine? Everton and who?
    Aston Villa? Newcastle (even though they've been out of it three times)?

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