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    Cups at the same time.

    Between Saturday and Tuesday over four days, we will have games in the EFL Trophy, League Cup, FA Cup and Community Shield, with the EFL Trophy 1st Round started before last season’s final is contested.

    While obviously this season has forced hands in terms of when games are played, it’s not new to see games in different competitions played at the same time.

    When was it that the lines started blurring on dates for different cup games? Was this always a line? I think because I live in Scotland where the League Cup has generally finished much earlier than in England for large portions of it’s existence, but is this a modern phenomenon?

    in terms of cups being held over, my main contribution would be I went to the final of the 2017/18 East of Scotland City Cup, a tournament involving Edinburgh City, Berwick Rangers and the two finalists of the EOS Qualifying Cup in summer of 2019. The final had been held over since 2017/18 on the account of both teams struggling to find time to accommodate the final as a result of Edinburgh City mounting a challenge for promotion from Scottish League 2 and East Kilbride battling for the Lowland League title. In the meantime, the draw for the 2018/19 tournament was made in anticipation of the previous year's match being completed with two semi-final matches, Berwick Rangers vs. Spartans and Edinburgh City vs. Camelon, being drawn at the EOS FA's AGM last season. At the time of writing this, neither of these games have been completed yet.

    To make things even more complicated, Berwick Rangers would go on a horrific run of form which lead them to being relegated from Scottish League 2. Berwick had previously automatically qualified for the City Cup by virtue of their Football League status, but this relegation prompted the EOS FA to confirm that the 2019/20 tournament would consist of Edinburgh City facing the winners of the EOS Qualifying Cup in a one-off final. So up until the 6th of July 2019, the tournament had games still to be played from the 2017/18, 2018/19 and 2019/20 competitions. Since then, COVID-19 forced the abandonment of last season before any further games were played, bringing the City Cup back to it’s familiar timescale of being three seasons too late, with a possible exciting fourth season to be held over down the line.

    Any notable instances of cup clashes or editions being held over? I am certain there have been a treble of PL, FA Cup and League Cup games on the same day before.

    #2
    In terms of cups being held over, the Liverpool Senior Cup often had its final held over to be played in the following pre-season. On one occasion Southport played a final that also counted as a quarter final for the following seasons competition.

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      #3
      This is the first time ever the FA Cup has ended one seasons competition and restarted another season competition in the same month.

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        #4
        In 1972 the Charity Shield, Watney Cup final and FA Cup 3rd placed play-off were played on the same day, August 5th.

        https://www.wsc.co.uk/stories/13759-...orgotten-games
        Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 31-08-2020, 09:43.

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          #5
          Originally posted by VillanoXIV View Post
          I am certain there have been a treble of PL, FA Cup and League Cup games on the same day before.
          The tradition in England used to be that the League Cup was down to the semi-finals before the 5th round proper of the Cup, and as no top flight games or league cup ties were scheduled on the dates set aside for 3rd and 4th round ties (or replays), three-way clashes as you describe were actually quite unlikely. However I found one such, on Wednesday March 12th 1986:

          Division 1 - Leicester 4-2 Birmingham
          FA Cup 6th round - Sheff Weds 2-1 West Ham
          FA Cup 6th round replay - Everton 1-0 Luton
          League Cup Semi 2nd leg - Oxford 2-1 Aston Villa

          so you're right, it has happened at least once.

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            #6
            You'd probably get such clashes in fixture pile-ups near the end of bad winters: 1947, 1963, 1979, 1986.

            It also affected Scotland - on 12.3.86, Aberdeen v Dundee FA Cup 5th round replay was on the same night as two SPL games.

            Up to at least 1939, Home Internationals were played on the same Saturdays as league games and there was a league programme on Cup Final day.
            Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 31-08-2020, 09:57.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
              Up to at least 1939, Home Internationals were played on the same Saturdays as league games
              Right up to the late 60s actually. I remember attending a league game in 1967 while the England v Scotland game was going on. They shifted the Home Internationals to a week-long tournament at the end of the season in, I think, 1969.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Capybara View Post
                I remember attending a league game in 1967 while the England v Scotland game was going on
                This one?

                https://www.11v11.com/matches/middle...l-1967-130215/

                (Bill Gates was on the pitch.)
                Last edited by Sporting; 31-08-2020, 10:36.

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                  #9
                  Yep. It was the first time I'd seen Middlesbrough lose.

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                      #11
                      I always wondered what Bill Gates did before he got into computing

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                        #12
                        When did "Find The Ball" become "Spot The Ball"?

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                          #13
                          People remember Bill Gates' little brother Eric better than him. But he played at Boro for 12 years, mostly at centre half. He used to get articles written about him in the likes of the Football League Review because he was an 'intelligent footballer' studying accountancy in preparation for the end of his career.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Capybara View Post
                            People remember Bill Gates' little brother Eric better than him
                            I never knew that!

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                              #15
                              When did Don Masson leave?

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                                #16
                                I remember people being surprised when Don Masson left the following season and particularly that he dropped down to the fourth division to join Notts County. But I don't think anyone foresaw him playing in the World Cup ten years later.

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                                  #17
                                  He didn't make his Scotland debut until 1976 and the Peru game in Argentina was the end of the road for him.

                                  https://www.londonhearts.com/scotlan...sonmasson.html

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Capybara View Post
                                    People remember Bill Gates' little brother Eric better than him. But he played at Boro for 12 years, mostly at centre half. He used to get articles written about him in the likes of the Football League Review because he was an 'intelligent footballer' studying accountancy in preparation for the end of his career.
                                    There's (at least) one more brother who is a tax inspector and a sister-in-law who worked for HMRC too.

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                                      #19
                                      I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole checking which of the businesses on that programme are still trading. The Gazette, but it's part of the Reach Group (Trinity Mirror) and is probably doomed and has just let two of its top football writers go. There's still a laundry on Parliament Road, but it has a different name. I can't remember the last time I saw a pint of Newcastle Exhibition, but Scottish and Newcastle has been Heineken UK for over a decade. Clarke's of Stillington Ltd appears to still be going strong, but became Clarke's of Stillington Plate and Profiles Ltd in 1999 and seem to still be stocking steel.

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                                        #20
                                        Ooh, the (edit- not referee) linesman was Colin Seel from these parts. He was still reffing into the 1980s, so it's surprising to see him turn up in a programme from 1967.
                                        Last edited by Walt Flanagans Dog; 31-08-2020, 20:16.

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by sw2borshch View Post
                                          I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole checking which of the businesses on that programme are still trading. The Gazette, but it's part of the Reach Group (Trinity Mirror) and is probably doomed and has just let two of its top football writers go. There's still a laundry on Parliament Road, but it has a different name. I can't remember the last time I saw a pint of Newcastle Exhibition, but Scottish and Newcastle has been Heineken UK for over a decade. Clarke's of Stillington Ltd appears to still be going strong, but became Clarke's of Stillington Plate and Profiles Ltd in 1999 and seem to still be stocking steel.
                                          What news of Club Marimba?

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                                            #22
                                            Long gone. The building is still there, but unused, I think. It later became the Rock Garden, where the Sex Pistols played a secret gig etc. and is legendary for the generation before mine, then the Arena in my nightclubbing prime, big in the house, studenty, jungle and various other scenes. It was a great club, lots of brilliant nights there, comedy evenings, gigs - the Selecter and Ugly Duckling leap to mind.

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                                              #23
                                              To be fair, I suspect in the Marimba days it was more the sort of place you went for a dinner dance than a nightclub in the modern sense.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by sw2borshch View Post
                                                Long gone. The building is still there, but unused, I think. It later became the Rock Garden, where the Sex Pistols played a secret gig etc.
                                                My mate Andrew, who you met, went to that gig.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Aha! I think there's a thing where they were billed as Cockney Rabble and the tickets read Acne Rabble or vice versa.

                                                  Apparently it was also called LaRoche at some point.

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