Rhys WIlliams is just a kid, and not a particularly exceptional one, and Matt Phillips is a 23 year old whose only match experience before the start of this season was 19 games in 2 bundesliga for stuttgart last season. It's not an ideal situation.
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View PostI would have thought that a big part of their problem is that over the last 10 games man utd have been on course for a 99 point season. How long they can keep that up is open for question, but they've made up a lot of ground in a relatively short space of time. As for liverpool last night, they looked exhausted. More mentally than physically. Passing teams all kind of look the same when they're in trouble. The players get too far apart, they start to look for the killer pass to force the goal. So instead of taking seven passes to set up a chance where each has a high probability of success, they try to do it in four with a riskier pass. Then there's the flip side of that where they take far too many passes and the thrust of the attack is lost. Getting it spot on requires enormous expenditure of mental effort game after game. That sometimes comes off, but more usually it doesn't. This is a separate issue from the injury problems, which make it a bit worse.
To be fair it's kind of inevitable for a team that is basically in its fourth year together. They've been doing this for quite a while now, and while Liverpool will likely have another strong season out of this group of players,next season. but then a lot of hard decisions will have to be made in a relatively short period of time. A lot of these players will be 30 at the end of next season. This isn't a mistake, it's the inevitable consequence of what seems to be the optimal team building strategy, but it is tricky to deal with.
I am proud of this new idea digested from extended OTF pontifications.
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Originally posted by pebblethefish View PostIt's good to see Southampton's defence get all due recognition on here for their performance.
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it switches to discussions about penalties, and now there's lads saying it's a refereeing stitch up.
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View PostRhys WIlliams is just a kid, and not a particularly exceptional one, and Matt Phillips is a 23 year old whose only match experience before the start of this season was 19 games in 2 bundesliga for stuttgart last season. It's not an ideal situation.
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Originally posted by hobbes View Post
Just to be clear, I don't think for a second it's a stitch up. It's a result of playing style. You're more likely to get fouled moving quickly and you're more likely to get away with a dive too. While the truism is that it all looks worse in slo mo, in reality full speed is where pens are made.Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 05-01-2021, 22:09.
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Originally posted by Third rate Leszno View PostI thought they were terrific - very high energy, no signs of burn-out there, they were swarming all over the box whenever Liverpool approached it. Ironically I'd looked at the line up and thought "Great, no Romeu, no Vestergaard!" Meh.
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Originally posted by 3 Colours Red View Post
It's not but having two natural centre-backs playing there has got to be worth a go, surely?
If you think the young centre half has a future, then the best thing to do is to pick him. It's not clear that they think phillips or williams do. Phillips was 23 before he made his league debut for liverpool, and Williams' loan spell last season was at kidderminster in the national league. It's kind of complicated, but ultimately it just comes down to liverpool taking a chance on not replacing Lovren, and going into the season with three first team centre halves, and getting caught out horribly.
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- Jan 2015
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- Wrexham... ish
- R. + R. McReynold's Travelling Circus, The Jurgen Klopp Farewell Tour XI, Page's Boys
- Ginger Nut
Fabinho does look pretty damn good at CB granted but as has been said already, moving him back means moving Henderson into a more withdrawn role and wouldn't you rather have him driving on?
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Philips is only there because the sale fell through at the last minute. Usually you wouldn't find a 23 year old still at a club who couldn't get a game. I'm not really sure how he hung on for so long.
And Williams is very green. I have more hope for him, but if you're 19 and can't displace Henderson at centre back, you're probably not going to be the next TAA. If he was 17 I'd be more convinced.
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View PostIf you think the young centre half has a future, then the best thing to do is to pick him. It's not clear that they think phillips or williams do. Phillips was 23 before he made his league debut for liverpool, and Williams' loan spell last season was at kidderminster in the national league. It's kind of complicated, but ultimately it just comes down to liverpool taking a chance on not replacing Lovren, and going into the season with three first team centre halves, and getting caught out horribly.
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It's the standard way of taking clubs over. Millionaires don't become millionaires by spending their own money.
Kind of surprised as the reaction around the place - who is stupid enough to put at least 200m of their own money into Burnley?
(Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, by the way. But I am being realistic.)
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AIUI, the owners borrow the money from somewhere, buy the club and then take the money out of the club to pay back the loan in instalments. The kind of financial chicanery that isn't available to us mere mortals. Depending on who you listen to, the money taken out of the club matches the amount it had in the bank account after a few years profits.
It's what the Glazers did, and I assume Hicks/Gillette, John Henry and however many other recent investors there were.
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Yes, pretty much. Like I say, why this is coming as a surprise to anybody (everyone knows that ALK are an American hedge fund for crying out loud, so this is how they operate) I have no idea.
The new chairman has been pretty upfront - the full interview is on YouTube. He's come in and said that the football side is going to be left to Dyche while he sorts out the commercial side, broadens the scouting and finds players to develop and sell on. I can't say I disagree with him that those parts of the club haven't really moved on in the last five years and are the most obvious places where they can make their money back.
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It's what the Glazers did, and I assume Hicks/Gillette, John Henry and however many other recent investors there were.
With Liverpool they picked up the club by paying off Tweedledumb and Tweedlecunts' ?300 million bank debt.
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