2020 Copa Libertadores / 2020 Copa Sudamericana

[Rogin the Armchair fan]

Palmeiras - Santos is apparently called "the nostalgia derby". I like that.

[Tony C]

Just been watching the whole of Santos -Boca Juniors on BBC Iplayer. Was it live on BBC last night?

[cantagalo]

Yes it was.

[Tony C]

Ah. Just watching Palmeiras - River Plate now which I also missed. This is a very good game but sadly I know the result. Not a great one for me either - I've always had a soft spot for River.

[EIM]

It's a tough one, the River v Boca thing. Because are, essentially, a successful West Ham, which is in no one's interests. A contrived, working class image, salt of the earth, love their mum, only kill their own. And equally the idea that River Plate fans are all posh, regency dandies, still suckling champagne from their wet nurse's teat into their mid 20s is also slightly overblown. The truth is that both clubs are fucking enormous and supported by all types of everyone.

But, while both have excellent kits, and gorgeous, evocative, historic grounds, there's still something about that blue and yellow shirt and La Bombonera that will always do it for me. It's purely an aesthetic decision, but football is 50% aesthetics anyway.

[Tony C]

It's a tough one, the River v Boca thing. Because are, essentially, a successful West Ham, which is in no one's interests. A contrived, working class image, salt of the earth, love their mum, only kill their own. And equally the idea that River Plate fans are all posh, regency dandies, still suckling champagne from their wet nurse's teat into their mid 20s is also slightly overblown. The truth is that both clubs are fucking enormous and supported by all types of everyone.

But, while both have excellent kits, and gorgeous, evocative, historic grounds, there's still something about that blue and yellow shirt and La Bombonera that will always do it for me. It's purely an aesthetic decision, but football is 50% aesthetics anyway.

Yes, I always think that River tend to come off worse in the contrived class war nonsense that surrounds the two clubs (who were both formed in the same barrio anyway) so that's why I side with them a little. The kit also sways it for me but my fond memories of Peru 1970 prevail.
My time living in Madrid highlighted this kind of nonsense too. I taught at a fairly prestigious fee paying school attended by the children of high earners and old money living in the most elite barrios in the city - and a substantial amount of them were Atletico season ticket holders

[fatbear]

I've never liked Boca. I think it started when I learned that Diego Maradona played over 150 games for Argentinos Juniors but was always portrayed as being a product of Boca Juniors.

I first started watching football from Argentina when it was shown on Screensports in the very early 1990s, showing a complete match on a Monday evening from the weekend. Argentinos Juniors had a left back called Carlos McAllister, and the name stood out. His son now plays for Brighton.....

[Tony C]

That's Alexis MacAllister. He has two brothers in Argentina who play for Talleres and Argentinos Juniors.