Most people in favour of No Deal - The FA Cup 2019-20 thread

[Ray de Galles]

Double jeopardy rule. You don't get sent off if you concede a penalty any more.

Only if there is a genuine attempt to play the ball. I didn't think there was anything like one in this case but the referee was apparently heard saying that he/VAR did to Arteta at half time.

[Diable Rouge]

We can call that one against the run of play, fair to say!

[Levin]

Lovely finish

[Toby Gymshorts]

That's a very, very tidy finish.

[Patrick Thistle]

Lovely goal. Aubameyang danced that one in.

[statto99]

Only if there is a genuine attempt to play the ball. I didn't think there was anything like one in this case but the referee was apparently heard saying that he/VAR did to Arteta at half time.

If this were not true, as many Arsenal fans have apparently pointed out, Luiz wouldn't have been sent off recently v Man City..

[Ray de Galles]

Great goal and the first shot on target from either side since Aubameyang's penalty forty minutes earlier. It had been a dreadful game since around the half hour mark.

[Patrick Thistle]

Only if there is a genuine attempt to play the ball. I didn't think there was anything like one in this case but the referee was apparently heard saying that he/VAR did to Arteta at half time.

That's another one of those vague things where you have to be able to mind-read the person's intent. I can see why refs wouldn't want to issue a red card unless it was utterly blatant. So generally they follow the yellowcardandpenalty combo.

[Patrick Thistle]

Not sure that was much of a second yellow card there

[Toby Gymshorts]

Kovacic off after a decidedly soft second yellow.

[Ray de Galles]

That's another one of those vague things where you have to be able to mind-read the person's intent. I can see why refs wouldn't want to issue a red card unless it was utterly blatant. So generally they follow the yellowcardandpenalty combo.

I agree it *can* be vague but it seemed pretty clear cut in this instance, given Azpilicueta ignored the ball and pulled the man down.

[statto99]

That's another one of those vague things where you have to be able to mind-read the person's intent. I can see why refs wouldn't want to issue a red card unless it was utterly blatant. So generally they follow the yellowcardandpenalty combo.

I can't accept it's vague when the player makes literally no attempt whatsoever at any point throughout a series of foul actions to move his foot or head towards the ball in a manner intended to strike it. To suggest he did is utterly refusing to see what is in front of the eyes.

[Eggchaser]

Just tuned in to see Aubameyang's nice goal and the joke yellow/red.

Also whatever Arsenal's numbering font is about.

[statto99]

Not sure that was much of a second yellow card there

Now this I would agree with you on. I hope he wasn't trying to make up for the penalty incident.

[Jah Womble]

So we reach the FA Cup final and suddenly VAR isn’t required at all? Okay...

[Patrick Thistle]

I can't accept it's vague when the player makes literally no attempt whatsoever at any point throughout a series of foul actions to move his foot or head towards the ball in a manner intended to strike it. To suggest he did is utterly refusing to see what is in front of the eyes.

I wasn't saying the foul was vague, more the wording of the rule (if it's phrased as Ray said). It looked like a tussle that turned into a foul to me.

The Kovotic red card makes up for it anyway.

[Patrick Thistle]

Now this I would agree with you on. I hope he wasn't trying to make up for the penalty incident.

Ha! We cross posted.

I don't think he was making up for it.

[statto99]

I wasn't saying the foul was vague, more the wording of the rule (if it's phrased as Ray said). It looked like a tussle that turned into a foul to me.

The Kovotic red card makes up for it anyway.

Apologies, then. I would agree that the wording of he rule appears to be unhelpful and also that refs are rather too inclined (IMHO) to look for a reason not to give the red.

[Patrick Thistle]

Apologies, then. I would agree that the wording of he rule appears to be unhelpful and also that refs are rather too inclined (IMHO) to look for a reason not to give the red.

If it had been a straight red if would have been reviewed by VAR and then, well, you may as well spin a wheel and see what the fuck the needle lands on. They would probably have adjudged it to have occurred outside the area and that the Arsenal player started it.

I have some sympathy with the ref. There's the double jeopardy rule. There's the knowing that VAR could over-rule you. There's the ability to determine genuineness and intent without being endowed with psychic powers. Given all that - and it being a FA Cup final - the yellow is the sensible option.

Edit: and karma caught up with Cesar within ten minutes anyway

[statto99]

Scant sympathy here, I'm afraid. It's clear Azpilicueta never makes any even remote attempt to play the ball.

[Ray de Galles]

If it had been a straight red if would have been reviewed by VAR and then, well, you may as well spin a wheel and see what the fuck the needle lands on. They would probably have adjudged it to have occurred outside the area and that the Arsenal player started it.

I have some sympathy with the ref. There's the double jeopardy rule. There's the knowing that VAR could over-rule you. There's the ability to determine genuineness and intent without being endowed with psychic powers. Given all that - and it being a FA Cup final - the yellow is the sensible option.

You are tying yourself in knots here and much of the above is incorrect :

- the incident *was* checked by VAR

- it was absolutely obvious there was no attempt to play the ball from Azpilicueta, there was no need to judge intent

- the rules don't change because it's a Cup Final!

[statto99]

I think we can say, though, that the yellow/red thing now seems rather insignificant...

[Toby Gymshorts]

Another injury for Chelsea. At this rate Lampard might have to pick himself for Bayern away on Friday.

[jeanmid]

Fucking Arsenal.

[Patrick Thistle]

You are tying yourself in knots here and much of the above is incorrect :

- the incident *was* checked by VAR

- it was absolutely obvious there was no attempt to play the ball from Azpilicueta, there was no need to judge intent

- the rules don't change because it's a Cup Final!

Cheers Ray, so VAR reviewed it and didn't overrule the yellow. Well that clears that up.