Will having a VARiety of threads work? - televised football 10-12 Aug 2019

[Patrick Thistle]

First MOTD of the season. Lineker not earning his salary this evening, referring to the wrong Sheffield.

Alan Shearer and Ian Wright are execrable pundits.

[Felicity, I guess so]

I had Kun as fantasy captain so the retake and successful conversion represented a 12 point swing in my favour. Phew.

[Janik]

So. VAR steps in to give Aguero a retake of his saved penalty after Fabianski left his line before it was taken. Duly retaken, Fabianski off his line again, no retake because it was scored.

Unless I'm missing something fundamental here, this seems to be - and I'll use the technical term - fucking stupid.

You are missing something here - why would you punish the team that didn't offend? It's just an advantage played, like in many other situations in the game.

Er, as others have said. Carry on.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Spurs are guaranteed to lose as I plumped for them in the "Last Man Standing" comp at work. Another tenner well spent.

I did something similar. I was consoling myself that the knowledge that the lost life could be set against Spurs' season being over after one game, and all the headlines tomorrow would have been "Last train to Cucksville." As spurs came to terms with bottling the title. You know the usual run of such things.

[Toby Gymshorts]

Spurs are guaranteed to lose as I plumped for them in the "Last Man Standing" comp at work. Another tenner well spent.

Or not.

Anyway, I agree with ChrisJ. I also appear to agree with TonTon, which happens a lot, although I'm not sure he'd like that somehow.

[ChrisJ]

Hmm, unless I'm missing something, I'm not sure I understand the problem with this. A 'goal' - assuming it's legit - must always trump any foul against, or otherwise perceived disadvantage to, the attacking side, such as goalkeeper encroachment during a pen. And vice versa. (This isn't a 'VAR thing' anyway - it's just a ruling that almost always gets ignored. Similarly if there's a foul on an attacker and he scores anyway, the goal wouldn't - or shouldn't - be disallowed to award the attacking team a free-kick/pen.)

At worst the ruling is pernickety, I'd say - but you can apply that description to any number of laws.

Oh, it all makes "sense", it's just shit and it isn't football. (I'm not ranting at you Jah, just the whole bollocks of it all.)

[Toby Gymshorts]

Spurs are guaranteed to lose as I plumped for them in the "Last Man Standing" comp at work. Another tenner well spent.

[Ray de Galles]

Danny Rose continuing his execrable form from the tail end of last season and being regularly beaten leaving too much space on the inside.

Has Ben Davies not recovered from his groin operation yet and where is Sessegnon?

[DCI Harry Batt]

Just popped in to remind everyone that VAR is an awful idea, done terribly.

As you were.

[Toby Gymshorts]

Direct some of that concern towards the tree which appears to be still trying to gain ingress, there's a love.

[ursus arctos]

That's exactly why I am concerned

[Toby Gymshorts]

That VAR Derangement Syndrome is acting up again.

It's the least of my worries, frankly.

[Ek weet nie]

If a penalty was scored the only way it would be retaken is if there was encroachment by an attacker.

As a former member of the goalkeeping union my greater than 50% penalty saving record would have been severely hampered with VAR helping encroachment detection.

[ursus arctos]

That VAR Derangement Syndrome is acting up again.

[Toby Gymshorts]

Ah, right. The BT footage seemed to focus purely on Fabianski leaving his line. Or so it seemed, I was distracted by a tree trying to get in through the window.

[ursus arctos]

As did the NBC commentary. That said, it looked as if there might have been marginal encroachment on the retake, but then Jah speaks for me on that larger point.

[Snake Plissken]

Graun says the retake was because Declan Rice encroached.

[Jah Womble]

So. VAR steps in to give Aguero a retake of his saved penalty after Fabianski left his line before it was taken. Duly retaken, Fabianski off his line again, no retake because it was scored.

Unless I'm missing something fundamental here, this seems to be - and I'll use the technical term - fucking stupid.

Hmm, unless I'm missing something, I'm not sure I understand the problem with this. A 'goal' - assuming it's legit - must always trump any foul against, or otherwise perceived disadvantage to, the attacking side, such as goalkeeper encroachment during a pen. And vice versa. (This isn't a 'VAR thing' anyway - it's just a ruling that almost always gets ignored. Similarly if there's a foul on an attacker and he scores anyway, the goal wouldn't - or shouldn't - be disallowed to award the attacking team a free-kick/pen.)

At worst the ruling is pernickety, I'd say - but you can apply that description to any number of laws.

[ursus arctos]

Aficionados of minor German grounds might enjoy the Konferenz feed of this afternoon's DFP Pokal matches.

All usual streaming warnings apply.

[Toby Gymshorts]

Also, jeanmid, I like the fact that your favourite biscuit is "Birmingham".

[Toby Gymshorts]

Well, yes, probably. But in this case the system brought in to enforce the rules has manifestly not done so. Plus I'm not convinced by the rule change, FWIW.

I mean, I might as well be outside shouting into the 50kph wind, but y'know.

[jeanmid]

So. VAR steps in to give Aguero a retake of his saved penalty after Fabianski left his line before it was taken. Duly retaken, Fabianski off his line again, no retake because it was scored.

Unless I'm missing something fundamental here, this seems to be - and I'll use the technical term - fucking stupid.

The problem isn't VAR, more the rule change. VAR gets the blame because its new and is subjected to kneejerk reactions.

[Toby Gymshorts]

Yeah, it kinda makes sense, but if the infraction is "being off his goal line" then it has to be a retake whether it's scored or not, otherwise Aguero is then handed an advantage which is what we're presumably trying to remove from the process. It's a retake until the 'keeper stays on his line and it's either scored or saved, surely?

In truth it wouldn't have had any bearing on the game. West Ham were miles behind City in just about every department.

[jwdd27]

It sort of makes sense to me, Fabianski had an unfair advantage being off his line to save, he again had an unfair advantage but Aguero scored so goal.
Didn't realise VAR was going this deep, we're going to see a fair few twice/thrice taken penalties, which used to only happen if the ref was being a dick.

Anyway, nice to see Liverpool tucked in second place behind Man City.

[delicatemoth]

Full time 0-1, hard luck Punjab. At least you're not West Ham, ouch.