No More Sarri - Premier League 2019/20

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Hobbes, VVD isn't allowed touch dominic calvert lewin at all in those circumstances, let alone plough into him like a truck driven by hans mohlmann. That he didn't make an effort to play the ball makes it a red card as well as a penalty. Liverpool could have been down to eight men by that point, but having watched enough of these games over the years, that's not entirely unusual in a Merseyside derby, though it hasn't been this fighty in a while. I find myself increasingly annoyed by the different application of the rules in these "big occasions," (even including lindelof kicking origi. a couple of weeks ago. I'm annoyed at lindelof for doing something so pointless and stupid, independent of what happened afterwards) almost as much as I am by the waySky and BT sport keep showing footage of roy keane and Patrick Vieira strangling and kicking each other back in 1999. I mean it was all fun and games at the time, but that was just a total loss of control by both players in the middle of what was actually as very good game, and the seem to be simply fetishizing fighting at this point.

[caja-dglh]

If I were a Liverpool fan

I think you should spend a lot of your time imagining this topic.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

But I do all the time for trolling purposes. You've got to have a good understanding of how the other person thinks if you're going to wind them up properly.

[RobW]

Arsenal look fucking hopeless at the moment, which will come to no surprise. Brighton finally break the deadlock.

[Kevin S]

Adam Webster just welcomed Martinelli to the match nicely there.

[Kevin S]

Brighton back in front and they thoroughly deserve it. They've been really well organised, a Sacchi-esque 4-4-2 with high pressing, lots of overlap on the wings, and Arsenal have been completely penned in by them.

[Ray de Galles]

Some recompense for Arsenal in that fantastic Run DMC style jacket Ljungberg was wearing :

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[Toby Gymshorts]

Well, after all, It's Tricky.

[Glass Half Empty]

What’s the point of allowing a linesman to have any say whatsoever about an offside decision?

[EIM]

Well, after all, It's Tricky.

It's his Adidas.

[Uncle Ethan]

That VVD challenge was as clear a penalty as you'll ever see. I'm glad Mourinho is back for two reasons - BDG's cartoons and AB's frenzied hatred of him prompts some of the finest posts on OTF. I have ranted since VAR came to Australia that every forward should always ignore the flag and if necessary the whistle and put the ball in the net prompting a VAR review. Finally, sweet vindication.

[Lang Spoon]

I've no idea how that wasn't a penalty. I'm not complaining mind.

[Glass Half Empty]

current PL policy in offside decisions.
Video Assistant Referees (VAR): Offsides
Where there is a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity and the assistant referee is not certain whether the attacker actively involved is in an offside position, the assistant should delay indicating the offence until the phase of play has concluded.

Where there is a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity and the assistant referee is certain the attacker actively involved is in an offside position, then the assistant should indicate the offence immediately.

In both of these situations the referee should wait to blow the whistle until the immediate phase of play has ended.

Factual offside decisions will be based on the evidence provided by fully calibrated offside lines.


As fine an example of second rate muddled thinking as you could wish to see. Firstly, in an era when on field respect for match officials is an ongoing issue, this guidance is effectively telling players to ignore the idiot waving the flag.

secondly, what is the point of the distinction between the case in para 1 and the case in para 2 if the ref is going to allow play to continue anyway?

Thirdly, in last nights match and I’d wager in every PL match this season there were examples of the ref blowing in response to an offside flag and not letting the phase of play continue.

Fourthly, how much more time wasting are we now going to get as players just carry on regardless?

Lastly, fuck off Amazon with your 100% mag pundit team.

[Janik]

I think it was Jermaine Jenas who said on Saturday's Match of the Day, in reference to Leicester's winner against Everton when a flag also went up but unnoticed by the defence in that case, that this would happen. He was obviously right then, and the proof of it was swift.

The protocol is unhelpful, but it is also clearly publicly available information. Teams should be coached accordingly - i.e. flags can be wrong (or indeed overruled by the ref without VAR), don't ever stop until the whistle blows.

[pebblethefish]

...and, a prediction here, someone will do exactly that this weekend, and be booked for kicking the ball away after the whistle.

[Toby Gymshorts]

It's his Adidas.

Woof! Back of the net.

[Kevin S]

I think it was Jermaine Jenas who said on Saturday's Match of the Day, in reference to Leicester's winner against Everton when a flag also went up but unnoticed by the defence in that case, that this would happen. He was obviously right then, and the proof of it was swift.

The protocol is unhelpful, but it is also clearly publicly available information. Teams should be coached accordingly - i.e. flags can be wrong (or indeed overruled by the ref without VAR), don't ever stop until the whistle blows.

<Stern teacher voice>"The flag is for me, not for you."</stern teacher voice>

[Gandalf Presley]

Well, after all, It's Tricky.

No, more it's like that. It's just the way it is...

[Ray de Galles]

I think it was Jermaine Jenas who said on Saturday's Match of the Day, in reference to Leicester's winner against Everton when a flag also went up but unnoticed by the defence in that case, that this would happen. He was obviously right then, and the proof of it was swift.

The protocol is unhelpful, but it is also clearly publicly available information. Teams should be coached accordingly - i.e. flags can be wrong (or indeed overruled by the ref without VAR), don't ever stop until the whistle blows.

Teams should have been, and have been, coached to play to the whistle for decades. Sheffield United's players were mugs last night and their manager should be castigating them not complaining about the rules.

[G-Man]

Leicester City?

Yeah, to backtrack, it ought to be a Top 7 league. Seeing as Man Utd caused quite an upset by beating Leicester, your objection is gratefully noted.

[Satchmo Distel]

It also matches the number of European places

[G-Man]

BIG 7 Table

1. Liverpool 16 -- P5 - W5 - D1 - L0
2. Man Utd 11 -- P6 - W4 - D2-L0
3. Leicester 7 -- P5 - W2 - D1 - L2
4. Spurs 2 -- P5 - W0 - D2 - L3
5. Arsenal 2 -- P4 - W0 - D2 - L2
6. Chesea 1 -- P4 - W0 - D1 - L3

Oddly, all Spurs games have been away (they still have to go to Chelsea), whereas all United's games were at home. City still have to play all but Liverpool away.

[Patrick Thistle]

BIG 7 Table

1. Liverpool 16 -- P5 - W5 - D1 - L0
2. Man Utd 11 -- P6 - W4 - D2-L0
3. Leicester 7 -- P5 - W2 - D1 - L2
4. Spurs 2 -- P5 - W0 - D2 - L3
5. Arsenal 2 -- P4 - W0 - D2 - L2
6. Chesea 1 -- P4 - W0 - D1 - L3

Oddly, all Spurs games have been away (they still have to go to Chelsea), whereas all United's games were at home. City still have to play all but Liverpool away.

Um. Where are Man City?

And how have Man Utd got 11 points if they've won 4 games?

[Rogin the Armchair fan]

That’s a first draft that has a stamp of quality one normally associates with my quizzes. Bears out the point I was trying to make though.

[Glass Half Empty]

Teams should have been, and have been, coached to play to the whistle for decades. Sheffield United's players were mugs last night and their manager should be castigating them not complaining about the rules.

This might technically be the case but in reality it’s bollocks, it might have taken the ref only a second or so to signal play on (I still don’t think that he clearly did that though) but in that time the game has moved on. It’s also the case that the Sheffield United players weren’t the only ones to stop; along with several Newcastle players who stopped so did the bloody linesman who was still up by the centre line posing with his flag when Shelvey passed the ball into the net.