After a season and a bit of seeing it in action in helping decide some truly momentous matches - from the World Cup final handball last year, through Man United's penalty against PSG, Sterlings's disallowed goal against Spurs and then the Sissoko 'handball' in the Champions League Final, have you changed your original opinion on its use (for or against) now that it definitely seems here to stay?
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So VAR then ... still for or against?
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It's still terrible. It's disruptive to the game. It removes authority from referees. It's not even particularly good seeing that it's given a whole bunch of moronic hand-ball decisions. And it's exclusive - it's something that's only available to the rich boys in the big leagues, separating the game they play from the game that other people play.
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Crikey that was a coincidence ... I'll post this link back on the African Champions League thread as well!
Caf Champions League: Esperance ordered to return medals and face Wydad Casablanca again - BBC SportEsperance are ordered to return their African Champions League trophy and replay the second-leg of the final after controversy.Last edited by Rogin the Armchair fan; 05-06-2019, 19:06.
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Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View PostIt's still terrible. It's disruptive to the game. It removes authority from referees. It's not even particularly good seeing that it's given a whole bunch of moronic hand-ball decisions. And it's exclusive - it's something that's only available to the rich boys in the big leagues, separating the game they play from the game that other people play.
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I don't have a particular issue with VAR so much as I do with the way it's being implemented - the hope is that as officials get more used to having to employ it, the speedier it'll become.
The 'handball' phenomenon is a separate issue, in my book: these soft decisions we're seeing are the result of recent UEFA directives and not a symptom of VAR (which only clarifies that they've occurred, after all). They're going to continue to be given though, so we might as well get used to it: my lot have fallen foul of this twice already.
Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View PostWhich is obviously a plus for all concerned.
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I also think it's damaging generally for football to reinforce the whole idea that decisions have to be perfect, rather than accept that referees make judgement calls, and sometimes bad ones, and you just have to deal with it. Dealing with mistakes is a useful skill to take into the real world, too.
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Okay - we've just seen the most-feared VAR situation played out in the Nations' League semi...
Switzerland call for a pen, the play then turns over and a clear penalty is awarded to Portugal at the other end. The referee refers back to the original (far less-clear) claim, the Swiss are a awarded a spot-kick which is then converted.
I see potential problems here.
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Yup, it really is a terrible idea, and for all that it's occasionally righted a few obvious wrongs, who really needs that in terms of the bigger picture message it sends? Anyway, the Portuguese equaliser just now is going to be the mother of all doozys when it comes to summing up what's wrong with it.
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And for the record, in case it wasn't obvious from what I wrote (and I meant Swiss equaliser), that was never a penalty for the Swiss and if you can only give it by that kind of micro, slowed down repetition of views, then even if it was a penalty it shouldn't be allowed to happen that way.
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Originally posted by Mr Cogito View PostAnd for the record, in case it wasn't obvious from what I wrote (and I meant Swiss equaliser), that was never a penalty for the Swiss and if you can only give it by that kind of micro, slowed down repetition of views, then even if it was a penalty it shouldn't be allowed to happen that way.
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