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    It's a knockout! Playoffs 2019

    Time to wind up the annual thread isn't it? How are the new Southern/Isthmian/NPL brackets looking?

    #2
    Northern Premier League

    Premier Division
    South Shields v Buxton
    Warrington Town v Nantwich Town

    Division One East
    Brighouse Town v Sheffield
    Pontefract Collieries v Ossett Town

    Division One West
    Radcliffe v Ramsbottom United
    Leek Town v Colne

    All single matches, semi finals this week, finals next Saturday. Premier Division final winners go on to the Superfinal against the winners of the Southern League Premier Division Central for a spot in the National League North.



    No play offs at steps 5 or 6 this year because of the general restructurings and the FA having the daft cross league points-per-game thingy for promotion.
    Last edited by longeared; 27-04-2019, 20:56. Reason: Format appears to have been invented by roryfsmith

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      #3
      Bloody hell this is all too confusing.

      So there are seven step 4 divisions in the country, but only five places available for playoff winners. So the two playoff winners with the lowest points per game ratios from the season will NOT be promoted.
      Last edited by Kevin S; 29-04-2019, 10:55.

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        #4
        Anyway, barring Leeds somehow contriving to lose at Portman Road next weekend (something only Wigan and Rotherham have done as visitors this season), we know that the Championship playoffs will be:

        Derby/Middlesbrough v Leeds
        Aston Villa v West Brom

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          #5
          So it sounds like the potentially-fruitless step 4 playoffs start tonight. According to the Isthmian League website:

          Tonight in the South East playoffs Horsham will take on Haywards Heath Town, whilst Hastings United take on Ashford United, with the Final on Friday.
          Tomorrow in the South Central playoffs Bracknell Town host Westfield and Cheshunt play Marlow. Final on Saturday.
          On Wednesday it's the North semi-finals with Aveley entertaining Heybridge Swifts and Maldon & Tiptree playing Coggeshall Town. Final on Sunday.

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            #6
            And the Isthmian Premier playoffs (why aren't they in that diagram above - what does that even mean?) have their semi finals on Thursday with the final on bank holiday Monday.

            Carshalton Athletic v Merstham
            Haringey Borough v Tonbridge Angels

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              #7
              In my area, Southern League Premier South semi-finals are as follows on Wednesday :




              With the Isthmian Premier fixtures on Thursday being ;





              I'm pretty sure I'm going to Carshalton's game. I may even wander round the corner for Met Police's if Barca v Liverpool on the telly doesn't grab me, though I'm not sure how many Salisbury will take to provide an atmosphere, especially as a 0-6 home defeat on Saturday cost them home advantage.
              Last edited by Ray de Galles; 29-04-2019, 11:11.

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                #8
                National League North:

                Altrincham v Blyth Spartans
                Spennymoor Town v Bradford P A

                Two former Northern League clubs now doing better than Darlington.

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                  #9
                  So there are two teams, the two step 4 playoff entrants with the worst PPG, who already know that in no circumstance can they be promoted.

                  It's not even an extra home game as they'll be away- are gate revenues split for playoff games, like in the cups?

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                    #10
                    Maybe they don't know, and it'll come as a nasty shock.

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                      #11
                      There's a table floating around on Twitter that shows there are three teams who go into the step 4 play offs knowing they can't be promoted. One of these is Bedford Town, they issued a statement yesterday pointing out they knew the rules before the start of the season, that they would treat the games in a normal manner as clubs elsewhere in step 4 might be looking to them to knock other teams out and mentioned that the FA have said that, if clubs are needed to fill divisions (eg the space that arises following the demise of North Ferriby), then they will look to promote upwards rather than offer relegation reprieves - therefore there is still a chance of promotion anyway and they would be foolish to pass it up if the opportunity were to later become available.

                      Fortunately this dog's dinner should be in place for this season only, there's another big reorganisation due next summer when we go to the full 1-2-4-8-16 non-league pyramid.

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                        #12
                        Just had a play with the numbers,
                        League Pos Team Pts P PPG
                        S1C 2 Bromsgrove 87 38 2.29
                        I1N 2 Aveley 80 38 2.11
                        I1N 3 Maldon & Tiptree 79 38 2.08
                        I1SE 2 Horsham 74 36 2.06
                        S1C 3 Corby 77 38 2.03
                        I1SC 2 Bracknell 77 38 2.03
                        NP1E 2 Pontefract 76 38 2.00
                        I1SC 3 Cheshunt 76 38 2.00
                        S1S 2 Cirencester 75 38 1.97
                        S1S 3 Yate 75 38 1.97
                        NP1W 2 Radcliffe 75 38 1.97
                        NP1W 3 Leek 74 38 1.95
                        I1N 4 Coggeshall 74 38 1.95
                        I1N 5 Heybridge 74 38 1.95
                        I1SE 3 Hastings 70 36 1.94
                        NP1W 4 Colne 73 38 1.92
                        I1SC 4 Marlow 73 38 1.92
                        NP1W 5 Ramsbottom 72 38 1.89
                        I1SE 4 Ashford 68 36 1.89
                        S1S 4 Moneyfields 71 38 1.87
                        S1S 5 Cinderford 71 38 1.87
                        NP1E 3 Brighouse 71 38 1.87
                        I1SC 5 Westfield 70 38 1.84
                        NP1E 4 Sheffield 69 38 1.82
                        NP1E 5 Ossett 67 38 1.76
                        I1SE 5 Haywards Heath 63 36 1.75
                        S1C 4 Bedford 65 38 1.71
                        S1C 5 Sutton Coldfield 62 38 1.63

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                          #13
                          So yeah, since the bottom two are from the same division, if either of them win the S1C playoffs then they will still miss out, and that means that Haywards Heath will also definitely miss out.

                          Brighouse, 3rd in NP1E, have a home semi final and potentially a home final but could win their playoffs and still miss out if all (or all bar one) of the lower-seed teams from the other leagues below them in this table are knocked out (i.e. Westfield, Haywards Heath and Bedford/Sutton Coldfield).
                          Last edited by Kevin S; 29-04-2019, 13:55.

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                            #14
                            Cheers longeared, didn't know that we were going full 1:2 feeding for the top five steps. That's excellent.

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                              #15
                              So.......... I make it that Pontefract and Cheshunt on 2.00 PPG are the lowest to be guaranteed promotion if they win their playoffs. Which leaves 17 teams not knowing.

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                                #16
                                Ashford got the away win, and will travel to Horsham in the Isthmian Div.1 SE final. As you can guess, the defeat of Haywards Heath has not gone down too well tonight with fans of Sheffield and Ossett, who as a result are now also both ineligible for promotion before a ball is kicked.
                                League Pos Team Pts P PPG
                                S1C 2 Bromsgrove 87 38 2.29
                                I1N 2 Aveley 80 38 2.11
                                I1N 3 Maldon & Tiptree 79 38 2.08
                                I1SE 2 Horsham 74 36 2.06
                                S1C 3 Corby 77 38 2.03
                                I1SC 2 Bracknell 77 38 2.03
                                NP1E 2 Pontefract 76 38 2.00
                                I1SC 3 Cheshunt 76 38 2.00
                                S1S 2 Cirencester 75 38 1.97
                                S1S 3 Yate 75 38 1.97
                                NP1W 2 Radcliffe 75 38 1.97
                                NP1W 3 Leek 74 38 1.95
                                I1N 4 Coggeshall 74 38 1.95
                                I1N 5 Heybridge 74 38 1.95
                                . . . . . .
                                NP1W 4 Colne 73 38 1.92
                                I1SC 4 Marlow 73 38 1.92
                                NP1W 5 Ramsbottom 72 38 1.89
                                I1SE 4 Ashford 68 36 1.89
                                S1S 4 Moneyfields 71 38 1.87
                                S1S 5 Cinderford 71 38 1.87
                                NP1E 3 Brighouse 71 38 1.87
                                I1SC 5 Westfield 70 38 1.84
                                NP1E 4 Sheffield 69 38 1.82
                                NP1E 5 Ossett 67 38 1.76
                                . . . . . .
                                S1C 4 Bedford 65 38 1.71
                                S1C 5 Sutton Coldfield 62 38 1.63
                                Last edited by Kevin S; 29-04-2019, 22:20.

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                                  #17
                                  got to laugh eh

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                                    #18
                                    A few more of those step 4 semi finals tonight:

                                    I1SC
                                    Bracknell v Westfield
                                    Cheshunt v Marlow

                                    NP1E
                                    Brighouse v Sheffield
                                    Pontefract v Ossett

                                    NP1W
                                    Radcliffe v Ramsbottom

                                    At a glance a possible humorous/ridiculous outcome tonight would be Westfield winning but also being eliminated at the same time, which would happen if both Sheffield and Ossett (who now know they cannot be promoted) both lose.

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                                      #19
                                      Southern League Central play-offs postponed while one team is investigated for fielding an ineligible player.

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                                        #20

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                                          #21
                                          If I know my non-league twitter, there'll be an awful lot of #absolutejoke and #tinpot hashtags flying around

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                                            #22
                                            I don't understand how PPG is fairer than position.

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                                              #23
                                              What do you mean by position? How does that help you select five teams from seven divisions?

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                                                #24
                                                Is there a dafter playoff/promotion system anywhere else?

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Kevin S View Post
                                                  Ooooooh. Is that Dougie? From Ely?

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