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    #26
    No. The only thing the law says on this is "the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement", which seems to me to be the opposite of "unnatural position = automatically an offence".

    Edit: to Ray.

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      #27
      Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
      There is a quote I remember - possibly from an old WSC - which talked about the difference in celebrations. The bit that sticks in my head is "the scorer would then have his hand shaken by his teammates in the manner of a man who had just stood up in the pub and announced that his wife was 'in the family way'".
      I don't know if it is or not, but that's got Harry Pearson written all over it.

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        #28
        I thought exactly the same, Capybra.

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          #29
          Originally posted by tee rex View Post



          If there's a spin-off thread on things we like about modern football, I'd suggest the post-goal Pointing. In fact, I've been wondering when it first became the norm for goalscorers to publicly acknowledge the assist from a team-mate.
          I initially thought you meant the post-goal pointing "heavenwards" which is a particularly nauseating (and seemingly recent) development.

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            #30
            Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post

            Is it actually in the laws? Genuine question.
            It's not, but it's insinuated it's way into the language of football thanks to the likes of Jamie Redknapp.

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              #31
              Yeah but if we adopted that kind of nonsense we'd all be screaming for red cards because "he was the last man, ref!"

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                #32
                I believe that the “heaven-wise” celebration has its roots in Evangelical Christianity. It became popular in football via some of the many evangelical Brazilians professionals, but has long since spread. It was around in North American sports even earlier than that.

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                  #33
                  Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
                  Yeah but if we adopted that kind of nonsense we'd all be screaming for red cards because "he was the last man, ref!"
                  Or "that can't be a foul, he got the ball".

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                    #34
                    Originally posted by Snake Plissken View Post
                    Celebrations were much more muted in those days anyway, weren't they?

                    There is a quote I remember - possibly from an old WSC - which talked about the difference in celebrations. The bit that sticks in my head is "the scorer would then have his hand shaken by his teammates in the manner of a man who had just stood up in the pub and announced that his wife was 'in the family way'".
                    IMMS in English football the "hug" began in the early sixties. There were general mumblings they were un-British. Stan Cullis wouldn't allow Wolves players to do anything so un-manly and enforced a handshake only rule.

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                      #35
                      Stan Cullis had similar opinions about passing the ball along the ground.

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                        #36
                        I'd love to know the history of the hug; what were the circumstances in which it came to be seen as a thing they wanted to do? It wasn't that the crowds were full of people champing at the bit for more touchy-feeliness, so who were the vanguard of this move, and why?

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                          #37
                          I think it was the gradual exposure to European and South American football. Brazil in 58, the dominating Real Madrid side of the early 60s had influences beyond their style of play.

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                            #38
                            Wasn't the reel, where goalscorer and nearest team-mate ran towards each other and spun each other through 180 degrees, the missing link between the manly handshake and the sort of affection that the wife only experienced when the player was "after something"?

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                              #39
                              Loud opinions,
                              In-depth analysis of everything,
                              Over excited commentators,
                              Retro shirts that aren't quite right,
                              Ubiquitous anger,
                              Last edited by Kowalski; 09-02-2019, 22:56.

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                                #40
                                Originally posted by NHH View Post
                                I'd love to know the history of the hug; what were the circumstances in which it came to be seen as a thing they wanted to do? It wasn't that the crowds were full of people champing at the bit for more touchy-feeliness, so who were the vanguard of this move, and why?
                                Let's work the first hugs in British games backwards, shall we? After both Man Utd goals here against Sarajevo in 1967 there are brief hugs:

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbie9kWAjRQ

                                Obviously there will be earlier examples of this...?

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                                  #41
                                  Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                                  I believe that the “heaven-wise” celebration has its roots in Evangelical Christianity. It became popular in football via some of the many evangelical Brazilians professionals, but has long since spread. It was around in North American sports even earlier than that.
                                  Yes, I associate it originally with Brazilian god-botherer players with their "I belong to Jesus" t-shirts, headbands and what-have-you.

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                                    #42
                                    "Obstruction" as an offence ("the Obstruction Law") was removed in 1997 and now comes under the vague term “impeding the progress of an opponent”. It annoys me that most football media perpetuate things like this and "contact" and other things that no long have anything to do with the actual Laws of the Game. Everyone in football thinks they knows the rules but mostly they are completely ignorant of them.

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                                      #43
                                      "Going Again"

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                                        #44
                                        Originally posted by Sporting View Post

                                        Let's work the first hugs in British games backwards, shall we? After both Man Utd goals here against Sarajevo in 1967 there are brief hugs:

                                        Obviously there will be earlier examples of this...?
                                        As I pointed out in earlier post, it was already common by then. Check out e.g. the Matthews final in 1953.

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                                          #45
                                          Hashtag United and other YouTube football teams, and the E-Sports crossovers that are involved (I think - as the thread title says, I really don't fully understand if/how they are a real football team, and I don't think I want to understand.

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                                            #46
                                            Oh, you're such a square, daddio.

                                            Aren't Hashtag United a real football team but not a real football club? Unlike, say, Streatham Rovers.

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                                              #47
                                              Originally posted by tee rex View Post

                                              As I pointed out in earlier post, it was already common by then. Check out e.g. the Matthews final in 1953.
                                              Sorry missed this. I wonder when the first flip or somersault happened.
                                              Last edited by Sporting; 10-02-2019, 10:36.

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                                                #48
                                                I'm sure I've read about Victorian players celebrating by doing somersaults (although post-match rather than in game) - possibly in the Wanderers era when most of the participants were ex- public schoolboys.

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                                                  #49
                                                  The amount of people on the bench of a modern premier league club is ridiculous. Once upon a time you had the manager, the physio and the sub, the assistant manager would be off looking after the reserves, now you have about six different specialists ,including one whose sole job seems to be pointing out things on a graph to an uninterested sub who just wants to get on the pitch.

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                                                    #50
                                                    Originally posted by elguapo4 View Post
                                                    The amount of people on the bench of a modern premier league club is ridiculous. Once upon a time you had the manager, the physio and the sub, the assistant manager would be off looking after the reserves, now you have about six different specialists ,including one whose sole job seems to be pointing out things on a graph to an uninterested sub who just wants to get on the pitch.
                                                    Les Ferdinand made a similar point the other week. Something along the lines of "You like to think tactics are important, and try to understand what you're being told but, honestly, half the time you don't." He mentioned an incident in the dressing room at Newcastle just after Kenny Dalglish took over. KD was giving a long explanation on strategy, Les looked at the player opposite him and both started to giggle. KD, clearly pissed off, said "What's the joke Les?" Ferdinand tried to wriggle out of it, "It's nothing boss." No. Let's all share the humour." "Well, boss, I'm sorry but I didn't understand a word you said." He left for Spurs not long after that.

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