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Unlike the Libertadores, the next round of Sudamericana ties will be played in the next few weeks before the Copa America starts.
This means I'll be able to see Fluminense v Atlético Nacional who are going through a difficult time and are nothing like the team they were two years ago and coach Paulo Autuori returns after a brief unsuccessful spell at Flu last year. Also there's Botafogo v Sol de América but I shall have to rely on Jason to tell me something about the Paraguayans.
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- Mar 2008
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I was a bit behind with LIbertadores matches and then swamped with work. I think we're going to see the problems with the year-long competition play out. Liga could throw some chaos into the mix but only for that first match. I'm guessing that we're headed for another Boca-River matchup and it's hard to see any serious challenges outside Boca, River, Gremio, and Palmeiras. July is a long time away so things will change but the big clubs can handle the changes.
It's good that we've got some Sudamericana the next couple weeks, although I'm not a fan of teams dropping into the competition from the Libertadores.
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I mentioned on the matchgoing thread that I'd seen the 17 year-old Joăo Pedro come off the bench in consecutive games for a total of about 30 minutes and score three goals. He will be moving to Watford next January for a fee of 'up to 10m'.
Last night in Fluminense's Copa Sudamericana match against Atlético Nacional, he made his first start. He scored his first after 2 minutes, his second after 8 and by the 33rd minute he had a 'perfect' hat trick to his name. He also found time to provide the cross for Luciano to head Flu's third goal as they raced into a 4-1 half-time lead.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzmgupSFgA4
Now I've only seen him play live for a total of just over 120 minutes and he's only 17 but he's looked a real star. I reckon Flu should rip up the contract with Watford and renegotiate the transfer fee.
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Yes, I should have mentioned that as well. Lovely goal by Marco Ruben after great build-up play by two more of Brazil's best young players - Bruno Guimarăes and Renan Lodi.
Athletico are at Flamengo on Sunday but unfortunately they'll be fielding a reserve team in preparation for that second leg.
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I was way behind last week so didn't finish watching Sudamericana games until this weekend. It was a crazy week last week, with a lot of blowouts. In addition to Flu's dismantling of Atl Nacional (as cantagalo reported--and could have been 6 or 7 goals with one missed penalty), the other shocker was Ind Del Valle destroying Universidad Catolica (CHI), who were very in the LIbertadores this year. That match finished 5-0. I can't see Atl Nacional or Catolica coming back from these defeats. Meanwhile the other Univ Catlica (ECU) also won 5-0, beating Melgar from Peru, who looked good early in the Libertadores but faded as the tournament progressed.
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Originally posted by cantagalo View Post
Athletico are at Flamengo on Sunday but unfortunately they'll be fielding a reserve team in preparation for that second leg.
1) Won the Campeonato Carioca
2) Reached the knock-out stages of the Libertadores and have an away leg lead against Emelec
3) An away leg lead against Corinthians in the last 16 of the Copa do Brasil
OK they are 'only' in 6th place in the league but just 6 games have been played.
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I forgot to say in my last post (and as a response/aside about Flu's match against Atl Nacional) that Flu have done very well in this competition the past few years. I'd expect they should get to the 1/4 final or 1/2 final again. It's interesting because in the league they've had a rough go in recent years and only make it to the Sudamericana because this competition goes deep into the standing for Brazilian and Argentine sides.
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Flu had a big enough cushion from the first leg to hold on against Atlético Nacional and played reasonably well in a 1-0 defeat. Atlético became the first team in senior football to prevent Joăo Pedro scoring. Daniel's prediction of a possible semi-final place may be a bit optimistic as they face Peńarol in the last 16 and probably Corinthians in the quarter finals.
I saw Botafogo easily beat a poor Sol de América side 4-0 but they won't be too pleased to face Atlético Mineiro even though they needed penalties to scrape past La Calera.
Universidad Católica's defeat by Independente del Valle means there are no Chilean teams in the last 16 of either the Sudamericana or the Libertadores.
Update on my last post - Abel Braga has resigned from Flamengo, citing a lack of support and interference in playing matters from above. I think he probably jumped before he was pushed.
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- Mar 2008
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I was super busy the past two weeks so slowly worked my way through the Sudamericana games. Those Flu uniforms were nice looking (all white with thin stripes along the side using the colors that normally feature on Flu's uniforms). All of the big winners from Leg 1 got through. Catolica (CHI) v. del Valle was close enough, though, to create a bit of a scare for the Ecuadorans.
Well, I won't be surprised if Flu can do the job and get far into the competition. I guess the main issue will be if they are struggling in the league and need to let this competition go.
In other (old) news River beat Athetlico-PR very late. The final score was 3-0, which did not reflect the goal dominance that the scoreline suggests. River was the dominant side in the match but they scored the last two goals in minute 91 and 94.
Now we have a break until Copa America ends. Normally I'm elated about Copa America but the invitees have me less impressed, the congestion of tournaments has me less interested in all of the competitions, and I'll be in Spain for most of the tournament so the time difference will affect how much I watch.
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Originally posted by cantagalo View PostThe method of the draw was changed this year. Instead of ranking their group records and 1 automatically playing 16, 2 playing 15 etc, they split them into two pots, a top 8 and a bottom 8 and then had a free draw from there. I suppose it provided a nice junket in Paraguay for the Conmebol bigwigs.
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Originally posted by danielmak View Post
Now we have a break until Copa America ends. Normally I'm elated about Copa America but the invitees have me less impressed, the congestion of tournaments has me less interested in all of the competitions, and I'll be in Spain for most of the tournament so the time difference will affect how much I watch.
https://watch.dazn.com/es-ES/sports/
Whereabouts in Spain are you going to be?
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- Mar 2008
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Libertadores final in Chile and Sudamericana final has been moved from Peru to Paraguay.
Sporting: I will be in Madrid for a week and Barcelona for a week. I'm well located in both cities and both have Irish bars that show a lot of football. The problem for me will be a mix of work schedule and time difference in terms of seeing the games more than access to content. I have a VPN on my laptop and subscribe to ESPN+ in the US so could pull games up that way. But doubt there will be much time. I can't say that I'm very excited about this congestion of tournaments this summer. I've been feeling the need for a break from football so the expansion of CAN, the uselessness of the Gold Cup, and Copa America's inclusion of two AFC nations should provide an excuse for a needed break.
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I have tickets for Paraguay v Qatar, Bolivia v Peru and the Rio quarter final. I can't say I'm particularly looking forward to any of them.
I think it's going to be a pretty awful tournament partly for the reasons Daniel mentioned but made even worse by the circus surrounding the Neymar rape allegations. It's probably for the best that he has withdrawn due to the injury he picked up in the friendly against Qatar.
The coverage of the investigation has been disturbing and wasn't helped by Neymar releasing a video of himself claiming his innocence including screenshots of their WhatsApp conversations which included semi-naked pictures of the alleged victim. She is currently being interviewed by the Săo Paulo police and it seems that Globo have access to transcripts of her questioning which they have summarised and published. It's certainly not moral but how can it possibly be legal?Last edited by cantagalo; 08-06-2019, 17:19.
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- Mar 2008
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostWhat VPN do you use?
The trick for VPN is whether or not the site you are watching/visiting needs a dedicated line or can work with a general dropdown from the VPN client. For example, my friend purchased a dedicated UK line from Torguard so he can watch BBC iplayer. The iPlayer will not work with a general dropdown. I have no idea why. That's beyond my tech knowledge level. Similarly, DAZN will only work with a dedicated line if you want to sub to a non-US version of the app, but oddly some of them will work with a dedicated line outside the country to which the sub happened. For example, my same friend subs to DAZN Italy but using an Italian dedicated line gets him access to DAZN Spain (something like that--can't remember the full details).
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- Mar 2008
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostNo worries.
I very much appreciate the detailed response, especially given that my experience with VPNs has been spotty, and reliable reviews that focus on workarounds of geo-blocking (as opposed to privacy/security) can be hard to find.
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