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I saw a ref whistle for a foul throw today and award the throw in to the other team.
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Feel like we need to talk about the Iranian guy who tried to do a somersault throw-in at the world cup
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Originally posted by EIM View PostHe's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you done?
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The throw from above rather than behind the head used to get Eddie Corbett’s dad going when I was playing for St. Sylvester’s school team. “Foul shy, ref! Foul shy!”
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Originally posted by G-Man View PostBoth feet must be on the ground at the point when the ball is being released.
But it's the law regarding the actual throwing action that our refs interpreted differently from those in Serie A, La Liga etc. Until recently ours were consistently giving foul throws for (to me) nothing more than throwing it a very short distance. I could understand it if the ball hadn't gone behind the players head (ie some players just throw it from level with their forehead) but in most instances that wasn't the case.
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Both feet must be on the ground at the point when the ball is being released.
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Originally posted by G-Man View PostI would like players to first learn how to take a proper throw-in. My coach when I was 8 would be turning in his grave, if he is dead, at seeing what liberties these zillionaires take with the throw-in rules. And at the refs who almost always let it slide
Recently we've fallen in line with everyone else, although it still prevails at amateur level.
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He's not - He's called Thomas Gronnemark, and he holds the world long throw record at 56m.
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Originally posted by wittoner View PostYes. Goal kicks once had to be taken from the "correct" side.. The rule was changed because keepers were deliberately placing the ball on the wrong side in order to waste time as the referee was obliged to make them move the ball which inevitably became a major undertaking in the final stages of a game.
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Whereas now they waste time by slowly going to the opposite side from where the ball went out. I'd prefer it if they brought the old rule back and just immediately booked time-wasting offenders.
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Yes. Goal kicks once had to be taken from the "correct" side.. The rule was changed because keepers were deliberately placing the ball on the wrong side in order to waste time as the referee was obliged to make them move the ball which inevitably became a major undertaking in the final stages of a game.
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Originally posted by Sporting View PostPlayers don't need to learn how to throw in because the referees don't blow up for gaining distance and foul throws in general, save the most blatant examples. It reminds me of how corners are practically never taken from where they should be, but slightly out of the arc. I'd be interested to hear from Imp on this.
Anyway...Liverpool have a dedicated throw-in coach, don't they? So they should be among the best around.
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Generally players can't throw a ball as far or hard as they can kick it. But it is an anomaly that is rarely exploited.
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View Post
The failure of players to exploit the lack of offside at throw ins is one of my constant complaints and I’d go further than you any throw in within a team’s attacking third should be used as a chance to stretch the play and force the opposition defence deeper than they’d want to go.
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Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View PostMost teams seem to forget the bit about you can't be offside from a throw in. Any attacking throw in within ten yards of a corner flag should be going towards the head of a tall bloke positioned on or just outside the near post on the goal line for him to nod back into the area (or should threaten to). If nothing else it would pull the defense's formation right out of whack.Last edited by Ray de Galles; 16-01-2019, 13:58.
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Originally posted by Sporting View PostPlayers don't need to learn how to throw in because the referees don't blow up for gaining distance and foul throws in general, save the most blatant examples. It reminds me of how corners are practically never taken from where they should be, but slightly out of the arc. I'd be interested to hear from Imp on this.
Anyway...Liverpool have a dedicated throw-in coach, don't they? So they should be among the best around.
Back in the olden days, and we're talking 19th century here, the throw in had to be tken by the team putting the ball out as it was considered they were at a disadvantage by having a player off the pitch.
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Most teams seem to forget the bit about you can't be offside from a throw in. Any attacking throw in within ten yards of a corner flag should be going towards the head of a tall bloke positioned on or just outside the near post on the goal line for him to nod back into the area (or should threaten to). If nothing else it would pull the defense's formation right out of whack.
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A 20% success rate from throw-ins actually seems pretty high to me. A fair chunk of modern tactical and technical coaching focuses on marginal gains - this is no different.
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Players don't need to learn how to throw in because the referees don't blow up for gaining distance and foul throws in general, save the most blatant examples. It reminds me of how corners are practically never taken from where they should be, but slightly out of the arc. I'd be interested to hear from Imp on this.
Anyway...Liverpool have a dedicated throw-in coach, don't they? So they should be among the best around.
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I would like players to first learn how to take a proper throw-in. My coach when I was 8 would be turning in his grave, if he is dead, at seeing what liberties these zillionaires take with the throw-in rules. And at the refs who almost always let it slide
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Tactics: throw-ins
Watching Liverpool win a throw-in is almost always a tortuous context for me. I'd say that about 20% of the throws lead to anything positive (and here I'm just talking about sustained possession). The other 80% either lead to the defending team winning the ball or the throw making to a Liverpool player who loses it right away (often by trying to pass the ball back to the guy who took the throw). I'm currently watching Blackburn-Newcastle and realize that it's not my own hyper criticism of Liverpool but really a general problem. It seems to me that the only time that there is any sustained possession after a throw-in is when the ball is thrown back to a defender in the attacking teams end. In these instances the team that gave away the throw-in isn't too worried where the ball goes because the attacking side can't do anything in their own end.
That's the preamble. Wolves seemed to cause Liverpool all kinds of problems (beyond losing the third round tie) every time the redhead (can't remember his name because I rarely watch wolves) took a long throw. I'm surprised more teams don't use the long throw when they are close enough to get the ball in or near the box. Again, it's not like most throw-ins lead to a true advantage. At least the long throw creates some chaos for the defending team even if such throws also rarely lead to a goal. Why don't more teams use the long throw?
BTW I assume this topic was discussed a lot when Delap was around, but what's old is new again.Tags: None
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