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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
    started a topic 16 goals in 2 games

    16 goals in 2 games

    I wondered if Man City's recent goal spree was a record for a League club (so taking out pre-FL Preston scoring 26 in a Cup tie against a rowing eight). I think it equals one.

    Man City in 1987 followed a 10-1 thrashing of Huddersfield with a 2-1 win at Reading. Man United didn't score 7 either side of beating Ipswich 9-0 in 1995 - indeed their previous match was a 1-0 defeat at Goodison. Liverpool drew 3-3 with Villa after beating Fulham 10-0 in 1986, but did get to 14 in 1980, when they preceded a 10-1 win in Europe with a 4-1 win against Brighton.

    I thought Spurs' 13-2 Cup replay win over Crewe in 1960 must be a candidate but no, that was bookended by the first game, a 2-2 draw, and a 1-1 draw at Preston. 15, then. However I did find one!

    In 1971, Chelsea came home from Luxembourg having beaten Jeunesse Hautcharage 13-0, and beat Wolves 3-1 at Stamford Bridge. They'd lost 1-0 at Bramall Lane before travelling. So I reckon 16 is now a joint record unless I've missed anyone?
    Last edited by Rogin the Armchair fan; 11-01-2019, 08:09.

  • Jah Womble
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    Yes. maybe 'senior' is the way to go with this.

    I'll admit that I'd forgotten that Estonian Cup score - despite its being only four years ago. (Shame they couldn't squeeze another in and claim the overall record.)

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  • seand
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    Professionalism is always a bit nebulous anyway.... cup competitions will include pros, semis-pros and amateurs, many leagues do too. I wouldn't count any old pub league, but the Ecuadorian example is surely a 'senior' national level game though, even if it's not professional. Excluding it smacks of xenophobia. And the Estonian Cup is unquestionably at the same level of seniority/professionalism as the Scottish Cup (which of course only equals the "record")
    Last edited by seand; 14-01-2019, 10:10.

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  • Jah Womble
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    I don't think it has been, no, but its recognition nonetheless seems to be taken seriously by only a few sources - one of which is (rather annoyingly) Guinness. (Like you, I don't see how it can be included in the records, but there we are.)

    Professionalism? Well, you kind of mentioned it in your last post! Sure, I used it upthread as a parameter, otherwise we're then looking to include any old pub league score - and I'll bet there have been a goodly number that dwarf Arbroath's or any of the others. Here's one example from 2010 (apologies for source):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...0-victory.html

    If you'd rather, we can include all these but I'm not sure I see the point.

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  • seand
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    I didn't bring up professionalism. The Ecudorian third division, imo, is a higher level with a much higher qualification requirement than the the early rounds of the 19th century Scottish Cup. By all account Bon Accord were a cricket club who fancied a crack at it. Granted it's a British record. And equalled in Estonia in 2015, in a national competition where the winners qualified for the Europa League.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E...6_Estonian_Cup

    Adema's Madagascar nonsense was clearly a 'fix' but I can't find any record of it being expunged.

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  • Jah Womble
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    Originally posted by seand View Post

    Arbroath were professional in 1885??!! (and 1885 is pre-league so out of Rogin's range for this question!)
    The Scottish Cup was (and remains) Scotland's top-level tournament, regardless of the time of the game concerned or of Arbroath's own status. The two (non-adulterated) performances that elicited higher scores were not:

    "In December 2000 Romanian side Carpati Mirsa beat Avintul Dirlos 410 but the result was not ratified as it was not in a professional competition, so Arbroath maintained their record. A similar situation arose in May 2016, when Pelileo Sporting Club beat Indi Native 441 in an Ecuadorian third division match." (Wikipedia)

    (If Tooting & Mitcham won 41-0 in the FA Cup 3rd round, it would hardly be dismissed as a result owing to the club being semi-professional, would it?)

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  • seand
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    30 in 2 games for Wisla Krakow.....
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_W...%C3%B3w_season

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    Originally posted by seand View Post

    Arbroath were professional in 1885??!! (and 1885 is pre-league so out of Rogin's range for this question!)
    I always like the side-story to that Arbroath-Bon Accord game:

    On the same day, 18 miles (29 kilometres) away in Dundee, Dundee Harp were also playing in the first round of the Scottish Cup against Aberdeen Rovers. Dundee Harp beat Aberdeen Rovers 35-0. The referee noted 37 goals, but Harp's secretary suggested a miscount must have occurred as he had recorded only 35. The match official, acknowledging it was difficult for him to keep accurate details during such a deluge of goals, accepted the lower tally and wired the official score of 35-0 to the Scottish Football Association headquarters.

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  • seand
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    Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post

    Well, there were a couple of games in non-professional leagues that have bettered Arbroath's total - but personally I wouldn't count AS Adema's 149-0 victory over SO l'Emyrne because clearly no competitive football was actually played in that match.
    Arbroath were professional in 1885??!! (and 1885 is pre-league so out of Rogin's range for this question!)
    Last edited by seand; 14-01-2019, 08:40.

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  • Jah Womble
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    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

    In fairness, Chelsea won an FA cup, and lost a charity shield between those three games though.
    ...as I pointed out upthread. (Apart from the Community Shield bit, which I forgot.)

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  • Stobart
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    Rangers got 20 in two games in 1934. 14-2 at home to Blairgowrie in the cup (Jimmy Fleming scored 9), followed up with 6-0 against Dundee in the league.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Hahaha really? I've got to say that's pretty fucking impressive.

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  • Nocturnal Submission
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    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

    In fairness, Chelsea won an FA cup, and lost a charity shield between those three games though.
    They did indeed, sir, which is why I specifically stated that was three consecutive league games, rather than competitve games.

    Actually, in that FA Cup Final Chelsea hit the woodwork five times in the first half. Wonder if that's anywhere near a record.

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  • Greenlander
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    The Highland League may be the goto place. I noticed that Fort William conceeded 14 last week but Formartine could only manage a solitary goal either side of that win. However Fraserburgh managed 18 in November beating Fort William 13-0 and Inverurie 5-0.

    Fort William also conceeded 11 twice in succession back in August but that's the answer to a different question.

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  • 3 Colours Red
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    Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
    Well, yes, the intentional self-sabotage was largely my point.

    (Own goals will have featured in many of the other examples cited here, however.)
    I'm big enough to admit I was whooshed there.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post
    Good research.

    There was also Chelsea's last league result of the 2009-10 season and the first two league games of the 2010-11 season, (8-0, 6-0, 6-0). A 20-goal haul in three league games with no lower-league cup thrashings must be close to a record.
    In fairness, Chelsea won an FA cup, and lost a charity shield between those three games though.

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  • Jah Womble
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    Well, yes, the intentional self-sabotage was largely my point.

    (Own goals will have featured in many of the other examples cited here, however.)

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  • 3 Colours Red
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    Adema didn't score any of those - the opponents scored 149 own goals as a protest against something or other.

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  • Jah Womble
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    Originally posted by seand View Post

    Only from a British-centric point of view. There've been at least a couple of higher scores in official senior matches around the world
    Well, there were a couple of games in non-professional leagues that have bettered Arbroath's total - but personally I wouldn't count AS Adema's 149-0 victory over SO l'Emyrne because clearly no competitive football was actually played in that match.

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  • EIM
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    (in two of the next three league games we racked up a 5 and a 4. Then Arsenal won the league, the dickheads)

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  • EIM
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    In 1997/98 Manchester United got to 13 in successive league games. 7-0 v Barnsley, then 6-1 v Sheffield Wednesday. Take that, Yorkshire!

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  • Crystal Staples
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    Stockport County have matched 16, a 13-0 win against Halifax followed a 3-0 against Accrington. They were in different calendar years too, 30th Dec 1930 and 6th Jan 1931.

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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    I came across another team getting to 15 - Luton Town followed a 6-1 thrashing of Gillingham in division 3 south by putting 9 past Clapton in the Cup in 1927. Exeter scored 9 in the Cup that day as well which is why I checked but didn't trouble the ref's book much either side.

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  • seand
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    Originally posted by Jah Womble View Post
    Ha - fair point! (And being World Cup qualifiers, they easily trump my yout' examples...)

    However, I'm going to call in Rogin's 'Preston-ruling' here - otherwise Arbroath would've already won this at club level.
    Only from a British-centric point of view. There've been at least a couple of higher scores in official senior matches around the world

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  • Satchmo Distel
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    There needs to be a weighting for the tiers at which the two teams operate. Man City and Burton are only two tiers apart but it may as well be ten in terms of the financial gulf.

    But then there's the stage of competition. These were the third round and the semi-final of Cups that are still regarded very seriously.

    OTOH again, it was only a matter of time before financial doping created this kind of run of lopsided games. Snake's point a few days ago about apples v oranges when comparing eras is clearly obvious here. There's surely never been this massive a gap in wages across a full squad, even allowing for the fact that clubs sometimes filled out their squads with YTS lads in the impecunious 1980s .
    Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 11-01-2019, 11:29.

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