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    I love Spiral and have watched every episode of all 8 series (baring last Sundays which I haven't had a chance to yet), but it isn't a patch on The Wire. It isn't even trying to be. It's a police/justice system procedural, that happens to follow that in a different nation. You get very little sense of the motivation and situation of the criminals, or that they are humans too. I wouldn't have said doing that is sentimentality. It's just being complete.
    Spiral is obviously a much superior show to Law and Order, but in essence that is what it is similar to. The Wire is an entirely more ambitious beast. About the only other show I can think of that brought a wholly different aspect into a police show in the way The Wire does was The Killing, which showed at great length and depth the effect of the crime on the victim's family (actually not something The Wire covers particularly, so maybe it isn't complete after all).

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      Hmm, on second thoughts, Law and Order is not an accurate comparator. Because that show has little sense that the entire system is corrupt and f*cked up. And Spiral definitely has that going on. But even so Spiral is much more in the mainstream of (maverick) Cop or Lawyer shows, that just happens to be about Cops and Lawyers. Or the justice system end to, er, middle because they haven't done prison all that much. Which, again, The Wire did cover.

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        Originally posted by Evariste Euler Gauss View Post
        Chatting with my siblings over Zoom today, my eldest sister said she reckoned Spiral was better than The Wire because it didn't have the "American sentimentality" of the latter. She still thought the Wire was great, mind, but wow, that's some austere attitude. We need a bit of sentimentality.
        Ha, I actually have said on the "Spiral" thread that no-one suggests it is as good as the Wire and then I come over here. I know what she means - I mean, we are talking about a cast of characters that includes a great many wo are second generation Irish and/or high functioning alcoholics.

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          ? Second gen Irish/alco= Sentimentality?

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            I tried not to conflate alcoholics with second generation Irish, it is just that there are second generation Irish characters and there are characters with high functioning alcoholism and there are characters that have both traits in the Wire. Indeed, being based in a major west coast US City's police department, culturally, Irish lineage and, indeed, alcoholism are part of their DNA. Don't get me wrong, the sentimentality isn't an exclusively Irish preserve. The Welsh have hiraeth and I am sure the Scots have got their version and I know the Portuguese and Basques have. It's just that they aren't represented in The Wire nor, to a great extent, in American culture.

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              Saw these on another forum. A guy is using Wire lines to re-caption Family Circus comics.

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              https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...788&height=893

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                Originally posted by Bordeaux Education View Post
                I tried not to conflate alcoholics with second generation Irish, it is just that there are second generation Irish characters and there are characters with high functioning alcoholism and there are characters that have both traits in the Wire. Indeed, being based in a major west coast US City's police department, culturally, Irish lineage and, indeed, alcoholism are part of their DNA. Don't get me wrong, the sentimentality isn't an exclusively Irish preserve. The Welsh have hiraeth and I am sure the Scots have got their version and I know the Portuguese and Basques have. It's just that they aren't represented in The Wire nor, to a great extent, in American culture.
                Who is irish American in it apart from mcnulty? And even then it's not clear how far you have to go back in his characters family before you meet an irish person. The culture of the police with the wakes and the pogue songs speaks to a strong recent irish American tradition, but I remember more poles than irish in the show. Even the actual irish person in the show is playing an Italian american

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                  Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

                  Even the actual irish person in the show is playing an Italian american
                  But then McNulty is played by an Old Etonian- and the show makes a habit of casting against type.

                  Melvin Williams, the actor who plays the Deacon, was a Baltimore drug kingpin who was arrested by Ed Burns in 1984 when he was a Baltimore city police officer. The case was reported by David Simon for the Baltimore Sun

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                    Thank you D-Mak.

                    Now we need Rust Cohle True Detective quotes for Marmaduke to make that one readable.

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                      Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

                      Who is irish American in it apart from mcnulty? And even then it's not clear how far you have to go back in his characters family before you meet an irish person. The culture of the police with the wakes and the pogue songs speaks to a strong recent irish American tradition, but I remember more poles than irish in the show. Even the actual irish person in the show is playing an Italian american
                      I always assumed that Polk and Mahon, the deadbeat cops assigned to the Barksdale investigation in Season 1 were of Irish descent given the in-joke provided by their combined names.

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                        Augustus Polk is more likely a Scots-Irish Protestant name. Patrick Mahon would be very Irish Catholic.

                        I didn't know this

                        • The name of the pair, "Polk/Mahon", is homonymic with the Irish expression "p?g mo th?in" ("kiss my ass").

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                          I'd forgotten about them. It's the real name of the band.

                          Augustus is a very roman name for a scots prod.
                          Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 07-06-2021, 22:44.

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