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    Ginger Yellow wrote:
    Saw it on Sunday and, yeah, it was great fun. I found it intriguing, as well, that it was this film that really brought home to me the normalisation of violence in modern cinema. I mean, it really is, by Western standards, an astonishingly graphic film. And, sure, a lot of the humour plays on that - an 11 year old girl going all Kill Bill, the juxtaposition of expectations of cartoon violence with equally cartoony, but in some sense realistic violence - but, still, I couldn't help but think back to when Total Recall was deemed an extraordinarily violent mainstream film. It looks like children's fodder compared to Kick Ass, let alone Saw and its ilk.
    AO Scott in the NY Times, and Anthony Lane--neither of whom are prudes--have really laid into Kick-Ass for its violence. Here's Lane's review:

    Kick-Ass wears a cheap wetsuit and gets nowhere, until one of his pathetic attempts at justice is posted on YouTube, at which point he becomes a star. It is hard to see where the plot can go from here, so Goldman and Vaughn come to its aid by introducing a pair of real crime-fighters, Big Daddy (Nicolas Cage) and Hit Girl (Chloë Moretz). The twist is that they are father and daughter, perhaps the closest duo since Oedipus and Antigone, though, unless you have a particularly corrupt text, you will not find Antigone greeting a roomful of evil men with the words “O.K., you cunts, let’s see what you can do now.”

    This line has already plunged the film into a froth of infamy, and, if you really think that Vaughn and Goldman (both of whom are British) planned it any other way, you are behind the times. A film casts its bait, and we bite. Vaughn knows that the vulnerability of the young is a more tremulous issue than ever, so he switches things around, leaving grownups vulnerable to their juniors. Hit Girl is eleven years old, and schooled by her father to slaughter and maim while displaying no emotion other than fizzy glee. Her first mass murder, of a drug dealer and his posse, is a flurry of cartwheels and gougings, backed by the theme tune from “The Banana Splits.” Many viewers, no question, will be jazzed up by the sensory sugar rush of this, but it’s worth asking, once the movie has calmed down, whether we have witnessed a silly mismatch of innocence and experience, to be relished for its gross-out verve, or a formidable exercise in cynicism.

    “Kick-Ass” is violence’s answer to kiddie porn. You can see it in Hit Girl’s outfit when she cons her way past security guards—white blouse, hair in pigtails, short tartan skirt—and in the winsome way that she pleads to be inculcated into grownup excess. That pleading is the dream of every pedophile, and I wonder if Goldman paused to examine her contribution to the myth. (Note what the script does with mothers: Dave’s expires at the breakfast table, causing no blip in the rhythm of his life, and Hit Girl’s was dead before she was born. Thus is any trace of tenderness expunged before our tale begins.) Goldman would presumably say that it is violence, not sex, that our pre-teen heroine learns, but that is a cowardly distinction—although, to be fair, it is a cowardice shared by everyone from the M.P.A.A. down. “Kick-Ass” is rated R, which means that adults are free to take children to watch a child hurting adults: a neatly wrapped package, like “Home Alone” on growth hormones. The standard defense of such material is that we are watching “cartoon violence,” but, when filmmakers nudge a child into viewing savagery as slapstick, are we not allowing them to do what we condemn in the pornographer—that is, to coarsen and inflame?

    If you find your enjoyment of “Kick-Ass” unclouded by such issues, good luck to you. The rest of the movie feels pretty secondhand anyway, as a heavily British cast tries teeth-grindingly hard to be American. Aaron Johnson, in the title role, is the only one who doesn’t show the strain, and it’s a pity that his early goofiness is cut short; by the end, as Kick-Ass pilots a jet pack, armed with Gatling guns, around the New York skyline, any claim that the film could be spoofing, or lightly humanizing, the usual overkill of the comic book has long since been wiped away. Back to fantasy, then: just the way we like it.

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      I mean, it really is, by Western standards, an astonishingly graphic film. And, sure, a lot of the humour plays on that - an 11 year old girl going all Kill Bill, the juxtaposition of expectations of cartoon violence with equally cartoony, but in some sense realistic violence - but, still, I couldn't help but think back to when Total Recall was deemed an extraordinarily violent mainstream film. It looks like children's fodder compared to Kick Ass, let alone Saw and its ilk.

      It's strange how far that such cinematic violence has left the oldest examples behind and made them look like an episode of Teletubbies. Jack Nicholson getting his nostril lopped with a switchblade in Chinatown? Now you can watch a naked girl chained upside down and getting her back scythed into bits before having her throat cut in Hostel Part II and still have time left to pop down your local Chinese takeaway.

      It's the adolescent joy of it all - just letting anything go without any justifiable foundation - that's the issue. I read about one film, the remake of Black Christmas, where the director wanted it to be more of a moody, psychological piece and made it as such. He wasn't best pleased when the producer - one of the Weinstein brothers - declared it wasn't horrifying enough, and incorporated extra gruesome scenes in it (in one scene, a girl is stabbed, wrestled to the ground, asphyxiated with plastic and then has her eyeballs torn out). I tried to sit through it myself, but I couldn't do it, suspecting that there's someone who'd enjoy this more than I would, and he's sitting in a maximum security ward right now, being kept away from sharp objects.

      Yep, I'm a wuss - and I love a good horror film - but I sometimes wonder whether some filmmakers really think about the audiences they make the above gubbins for, beyond that of people prepared to open their wallets. I know this makes me sound like Mary Whitehouse, but there's some stuff I watch nowadays and think, 'fuck sakes, how did they get away with that?'.

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        you will not find Antigone greeting a roomful of evil men with the words “O.K., you cunts, let’s see what you can do now.”

        This line has already plunged the film into a froth of infamy
        Really? That was my favourite moment in the whole film. I suppose it would play differently in the US, though.

        Jack Nicholson getting his nostril lopped with a switchblade in Chinatown?
        I dunno. That scene still makes me wince. That said, I don't think Kick Ass should have been rated R. Google tells me it was rated 15 in the UK, and I'm not sure that's such a good idea either, but it's better than R. I realise NC-17 gets reserved for the worst of the worst these days, but I think that's part of the problem. Given the MPAA's dichotomous attitudes toward sex and violence, I think it encourages filmmakers looking to shock (for artistic effect or otherwise) to go overboard on the violence to make up for the sex they can't show.

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          Given the MPAA's dichotomous attitudes toward sex and violence, I think it encourages filmmakers looking to shock (for artistic effect or otherwise) to go overboard on the violence to make up for the sex they can't show.

          I was thinking similarly along those lines, whereupon filmmakers are looking to push the envelope in terms of how much violence they can get away with without any real on-screen validation or reason, be it comic or realistically portrayed. It all seems either casually thrown in or lumpenly celebrated.

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            Lord. So much utter rubbish has been written about Kick-Ass. Ebert & Tookey's frothings noticeable for being even more ludicrous than usual & I hadn't even seen Lane's. Also, talking about Antigone kind of makes him look like even more of a dick.

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              What did Ebert say?

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                Ebert gave it one star (his lowest rating):
                Original link to review pasted below

                Kick-Ass

                BY ROGER EBERT / April 14, 2010

                Shall I have feelings, or should I pretend to be cool? Will I seem hopelessly square if I find “Kick-Ass” morally reprehensible and will I appear to have missed the point? Let's say you're a big fan of the original comic book, and you think the movie does it justice. You know what? You inhabit a world I am so very not interested in. A movie camera makes a record of whatever is placed in front of it, and in this case, it shows deadly carnage dished out by an 11-year-old girl, after which an adult man brutally hammers her to within an inch of her life. Blood everywhere. Now tell me all about the context.

                The movie's premise is that ordinary people, including a high school kid, the 11-year-old and her father, try to become superheroes in order to punish evil men. The flaw in this premise is that the little girl does become a superhero. In one scene, she faces a hallway jammed with heavily armed gangsters and shoots, stabs and kicks them all to death, while flying through the air with such power, it's enough to make Jackie Chan take out an AARP membership.

                This isn't comic violence. These men, and many others in the film, are really stone-cold dead. And the 11-year-old apparently experiences no emotions about this. Many children that age would be, I dunno, affected somehow, don't you think, after killing eight or 12 men who were trying to kill her?

                I know, I know. This is a satire. But a satire of what? The movie's rated R, which means in this case that it's doubly attractive to anyone under 17. I'm not too worried about 16-year-olds here. I'm thinking of 6-year-olds. There are characters here with walls covered in carefully mounted firearms, ranging from handguns through automatic weapons to bazookas. At the end, when the villain deliciously anticipates blowing a bullet hole in the child's head, he is prevented only because her friend, in the nick of time, shoots him with bazooka shell at 10-foot range and blows him through a skyscraper window and across several city blocks of sky in a projectile of blood, flame and smoke. As I often read on the Internet: Hahahahaha.

                The little girl is named Mindy (Chloe Grace Moretz). She adopts the persona of Hit Girl. She has been trained by her father, Big Daddy (Nicolas Cage), to join him in the battle against a crime boss (Mark Strong). Her training includes being shot at point-blank range while wearing a bulletproof vest. She also masters the martial arts — more, I would say, than any other movie martial artist of any age I can recall. She's gifted with deadly knife-throwing; a foot-long knife was presented to her by Dad as, I guess, a graduation present.

                Big Daddy and Mindy never have a chat about, you know, stuff like how when you kill people, they are really dead. This movie regards human beings like video-game targets. Kill one, and you score. They're dead, you win. When kids in the age range of this movie's home video audience are shooting one another every day in America, that kind of stops being funny.

                Hit Girl teams up with Kick-Ass (Aaron Johnson), the film's narrator, a lackluster high school kid who lives vicariously through comic books. For reasons tedious to explain, he orders a masked costume by mail order and sets about trying to behave as a superhero, which doesn't work out well. He lacks the training of a Big Daddy. But as he and Hit Girl find themselves fighting side by side, he turns into a quick learner. Also, you don't need to be great at hand-to-hand combat if you can just shoot people dead.

                The early scenes give promise of an entirely different comedy. Aaron Johnson has a certain anti-charm, his problems in high school are engaging, and so on. A little later, I reflected that possibly only Nic Cage could seem to shoot a small girl point-blank and make it, well, funny. Say what you will about her character, but Chloe Grace Moretz has presence and appeal. Then the movie moved into dark, dark territory, and I grew sad.

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                  This isn't comic violence. These men, and many others in the film, are really stone-cold dead
                  Yes, Roger. That's the point. That's why it's comic - otherwise it would just be a cartoon. Sure, you don't have to like it. But it's not like they didn't know what they were doing.

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                    I haven't seen it yet, but I want to. I thought the point of all of the violence was to simply point out that if superheros were real, they'd have to be incredibly violent and it would get nasty and wouldn't be the way it is in comics. Or at least not how it is in the gee-whiz Golden Age comics, which is what most people still think comics are like even though they haven't been like that in over 40 years.

                    And it wouldn't be a golden age comic story without kid sidekicks.* So putting that classic device in a "real-world," modern violent crime story just exposes how ridiculous it was to begin with. It's like watching Mad Men now and seeing how they all smoke and the kids didn't wear seatbelts in the car, let alone sit in a car seat. It's horrifying, in a way, but it makes us (or me, at least) laugh at the naivety of our species.

                    *The original superhero child sidekick Robin, inserted into the Batman stories in the early days because editors were concerned Batman was "too dark." There were a lot of other kid sidekicks and young women sidekicks (of course they were mere sidekicks. It was the 50s) that followed in the 1950s and 1960s. The ultimate expression of that was Captain Marvel/Shazam, who was both alpha hero and kid sidekick in the same body.

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                      For reasons I can't adequately explain, I just watched a double bill of Marcel Marceau films. I guess being the King of Mime limits the roles you get offered to 'deaf-mute', 'possible paedophile' or 'deaf-mute possible paedophile' but in this pairing he gets to play all these parts and more.

                      A Fable was funded by Mobil to promote world peace or something. It culminates in our handsome mime rejecting the affections of the comely maiden who's been giving him bread, to prance away, pipe aloft, with a trail of children of every nationality skipping merrily behind him. It has a surprisingly wicked soundtrack that the Finders Keepers label should put out.

                      Shanks mixes that whole anti-Amercian reanimator French puppeteer vibe up with the US biker movie. It gets mixed results, but boy can these guys fucking mime. Did you ever see a dead brother and sister dance the Charleston? Well I just did. And the drunk brother-in-law is the spitting image of Serge Gainsbourg. Paramount thought audiences might be put off by the head biker raping and murdering an 11-year-old girl garbed in a dead woman's wedding dress, and buried the film. But I say if they'd got behind this one they could have shoved it right down their throats.

                      I don't even know why I'm writing this.

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                        It seems relevant...kind of.

                        I haven't seen Kick-Ass but I will eventually. The thing that strikes me most about the negative reactions is how many people seem to make an assumption that because a kid is in a movie then, by definition, it's a movie intended for kids. I don't quite understand why this should be so unless their eyes focus on a few random nouns, eg: "child" "violence" "movie" and nothing more.

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                          Dogtooth It's very interesting & disturbing-ish and so on. But I'm not quite sure I properly got along with it.

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                            Ordet It's going to make me think for days but my initial reaction is that it is the best film I've ever seen.

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                              I'd love to see that. Criterion dvd?

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                                Bad Timing. Fantastic, perhaps the best Roeg film I've seen (despite all the naked, quivering Garfunkel and Harvey Keitel's dubious Austrian accent). What a way to tell a story.

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                                  It was a rip of the Criterion DVD *hangs head in shame*

                                  I watched Private Property as well last night, on a proper DVD albeit a borrowed library copy, it was quite impressive. I thought the lead blonde actor looked familiar, turns out this was the sixth film I've seen him in - I need to start paying more attention to actors.

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                                    Watched Kick-Ass tonight. Fantastic. Smart-ass film.

                                    Really surprised by how dumb so of those reviews have been. It has a fairly strong moral compass, that film. Sure, an 11 year old girl says "c unts", but it's deliberate and done with some intelligence.

                                    I'd be interested to hear thoughts on Ordet. I like Dreyer, but this film annoyed the hell out of me with its spiritual mumbo-jumbo.

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                                      a proper DVD
                                      I should think so too. I did subtitles for that one.

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                                        Ebert wrote:

                                        Shall I have feelings, or should I pretend to be cool? Will I seem hopelessly square if I find “Kick-Ass” morally reprehensible and will I appear to have missed the point? Let's say you're a big fan of the original comic book, and you think the movie does it justice. You know what? You inhabit a world I am so very not interested in.
                                        Made me laugh.

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                                          Ebert inhabits a world I'm not very interested in. He thought Avatar was fucking awesome, so fuck him.

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                                            I watched The Trotsky, a Canadian indy in which Jay Baruchel (usually gets a role in Apatow's films and does the lead voice in How to Train Your Dragon) plays a 17-year-old Jewish kid in Montreal who is convinced he is the reincarnation of Leon Trotsky and rallies his classmates to fight for a union. It's sort of heartwarming and he kind of looks like Trotsky.

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                                              Speaking of How To Train Your Dragon, I saw that a few weeks ago, and really enjoyed it. I thought the 3D was actually used in coordination with the story, and wasn't just there for show. The only distracting thing was that I kept thinking that the main character's dad's voice was provided by Andy Gray. It is actually Gerard Butler, but I kept waiting for him to start talking about soccer...and the fact that a group of Vikings were given Scottish accents.

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                                                Watched Abigails Party for the tenth time the other night. Thing is, I can't work out why people use this as evidence for the prosecution that Mike Leigh despises the lower-middle-class. It's supposed to be about people caught up in the midst of social change in an environment they can no longer control or predict. The stuff about not knowing you don't put red wine in the fridge is neither here nor there is it? Alison Steadman is a way more sympathetic character than legend suggests too. And the ending. Fuck. Gets me every time. Gets me more as I get older, to be honest.

                                                The Oblong Box, a not very good horror film. Some great shots of stagecoaches in the dark, and it's got Vincent Price and Hilary Dwyer in it. No Witchfinder, tho. The plot is completely bleeding incoherent. There's a Burke and Hare thing, some bizarre shit to do with British Imperialism, a dodgy minor official, Vincent living in a big manor house, and being a nice bloke. Bit of a bastard to his brother though. "His condition is worsening, I think we should reinforce his chains". Calm down for fucks sake, it's only a man in an opera cape wearing a red mask. The worst 60's Edgar Allen Poe adaption i've seen. Still liked it though, to be honest.

                                                The Lion In Winter, a three hour family row, way too fucking long, no family is that bloody interesting, bit of a ham-fest too. The bloke who plays King John is a class act though.

                                                Stage Fright, a poor Hitchcock, got Marlene Dietrich in it, and Richard Todd. It's a bit dull. Alistair Sim is in it, but playing a nice, well-meaning bloke. Who's stupid fucking idea was that? Joyce Grenfell is great though.

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                                                  Stage Fright is worth the price of admission for the short scene between Sim and Grenfell at the fete. It's quite precious. They play off each other beautifully and are constantly on the verge of cracking up. The one spark of light in an, otherwise, dry and dusty film.

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                                                    Dogtooth It's very interesting & disturbing-ish and so on. But I'm not quite sure I properly got along with it.
                                                    I took a less charitable view tonight and walked out after 45 minutes. I've not been that bored and unimpressed by a film for ages; I thought it was that slow-but-vacuous type of wacky. Why is it that the European films that get good distribution in [strike]the UK[/strike] London seem to be the worst ones? Same deal as with American films, I guess.

                                                    The trailers beforehand were real money-savers though: I don't need to see Four Lions now cause I know the plot and the main jokes; and I can already tell you that Sex and the City 2 will be looked back on as the definitive cinematic flop of our time ('the girls' go on a rampant consumerist holiday to Dubai and teh 'Arabian desert'; what recession?!). It's the first time I've heard a trailer roundly booed by a full audience, and that booing cheered. But this was Dalston's reputable Rio cinema, after all.

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