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    Yeah. She's stone brilliant. Scary as all get out.

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      Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
      Portugal has a very high number of people who claim to have some facility in a second language. English and French being the two most popular. It seems that while they can understand spanish, very few claim to speak it. I suspect the actual number is higher. Is Bobby Pires the most famous french portuguese person?
      In Portuguese speaking countries, the utterly terrible singer, Tony Carreira would undoubtedly be the most famous Luso-Francais:

      There are loads of footballers, Petit is the one that immediately springs to mind. Fabio Coentrao's family moved to France but left him in an orphanage when he was a young child.

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        Oh, and subtitles in Portugal. It's commonly assumed amongst Portuguese people that the reason even an old granny in backwater rural Portugal can communicate a bit in English is due to all English speaking programs having subtitles rather than dubbing. They're quite proud of it, especially given the difficulties Spanish people have with second languages in comparison with the Portuguese.

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          I was slapped down in Lisbon for attempting Portuguese with Spanish words mixed in where I didn't know the Portuguese, and answered in English from folk in their twenties to sixties. Can't think of anywhere in Spain twenty years ago where sixty year olds could have said fuck all in English.

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            Originally posted by steveeeeeeeee View Post
            Oh, and subtitles in Portugal. It's commonly assumed amongst Portuguese people that the reason even an old granny in backwater rural Portugal can communicate a bit in English is due to all English speaking programs having subtitles rather than dubbing. They're quite proud of it, especially given the difficulties Spanish people have with second languages in comparison with the Portuguese.
            Fair enough. This is a justified source of pride. Go Portugal!

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              Portugal is England's oldest, and possibly only ally.

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                Originally posted by Wouter D View Post

                Fair enough. This is a justified source of pride. Go Portugal!
                I am shocked to hear such sentiments from a Dutchman. BTW How many languages do you speak? It's got to be at least three.

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                  Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                  I am shocked to hear such sentiments from a Dutchman. BTW How many languages do you speak? It's got to be at least three.
                  It's three. Dutch, English, and German.

                  If I find myself in a French shop, I can make my order sound French. Deux croissants et un café, s'il vous plaît! But if they ask whether I want sugar or milk in my coffee, I'm toast. So my passive knowledge might span four languages, but my active knowledge spans three.

                  In many respects, Portugal is to Spain as the Netherlands is to Germany. The Dutch hate the Portuguese national football team, but beyond sports, we see the parallels.

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                    Originally posted by Wouter D View Post
                    The Dutch hate the Portuguese national football team,
                    Really? Is this one of those silent smouldering hatreds, because I can't think of any examples, oh no wait. It's coming back to me now.

                    Isn't the dutch army almost completely integrated with the German one?

                    Is dutch closer to German than english, or are the differences so big that it's hard to compare?
                    Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 16-07-2019, 22:22.

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                      Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

                      Really? Is this one of those silent smouldering hatreds, because I can't think of any examples, oh no wait. It's coming back to me now.

                      Isn't the dutch army almost completely integrated with the German one?

                      Is dutch closer to German than english, or are the differences so big that it's hard to compare?
                      Army? What are you talking about? If any foreign threat reaches the Dutch border, and the Germans can't keep them out (through whatever NATO requirements we have to each other), we're toast anyway.

                      In terms of language, Dutch steals about equally many words and constructions from English, German, and French. The only exception is in mathematical terms, where Simon Stevin had a strong opinion. As a consequence, Dutch is the only language where the word for mathematics does not have a Greek background.

                      German has different word declinations depending on its function in the sentence. Dutch doesn't do that. The two languages aren't that far apart, but they aren't that similar either.

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                        BTW I'm currently watching this. It's an account of the voyage of the Russian Second pacific fleet from st Petersburg right up to the battle of Tsushima. This may be one of the best things on Youtube. The attack on the hull trawler fleet isn't the weirdest part of this mega disaster. Wait until they get to madagascar. it gets freaky in madagascar.

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                          Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

                          Really? Is this one of those silent smouldering hatreds, because I can't think of any examples, oh no wait. It's coming back to me now.

                          Isn't the dutch army almost completely integrated with the German one?

                          Is dutch closer to German than english, or are the differences so big that it's hard to compare?
                          Dutch is closer to English (or indeed The "Low German" of Treibeis's manor) than Standard High German. The great consonant shift in standard German never occurred in English/Frisian/Dutch/Minigolfian etc.

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                            I watched Point Break (1991) again. Ridiculous but very entertaining.

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                              [QUOTE=Wouter D;n2176337]But if they ask whether I want sugar or milk in my coffee, I'm toast.[/QUOTE/]

                              This sentence made my head spin a bit.

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                                Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post

                                Dutch is closer to English (or indeed The "Low German" of Treibeis's manor) than Standard High German. The great consonant shift in standard German never occurred in English/Frisian/Dutch/Minigolfian etc.
                                I remember seeing Eddie Izzard trying to buy a cow in friesland using middle english (I think) . The Farmer understood him.

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                                  Originally posted by Sits View Post
                                  Originally posted by Wouter D View Post
                                  But if they ask whether I want sugar or milk in my coffee, I'm toast.
                                  This sentence made my head spin a bit.
                                  Thank you! I do have a way with words, but the way might be wonky.

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                                    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                                    I remember seeing Eddie Izzard trying to buy a cow in friesland using middle english (I think) . The Farmer understood him.
                                    This understanding may have less to do with the language being spoken and more with getting paid.

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                                      The farmer was speaking some form of frisian. It must have been earlier than middle english as the aim was to demonstrate one of the older and very obvious linguistic links between English and other languages.

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                                        Originally posted by Wouter D View Post

                                        Thank you! I do have a way with words, but the way might be wonky.
                                        It wasn't wonky, just that melding of breakfast-y foodstuffs.

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                                          Elementary is back for a final season on Sky Witness. The characters have decamped to London. Lucy Liu is blonde. Tamsin Greig is in it now. The first episode was about an acid attack which was pretty horrible.

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                                            Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                                            I've caught up to the most recent episode of Big Little Lies season 2, and for the first time in a long time I'm enjoying something with Meryl Streep in. After all these years, who'd have thought that playing a super-plain mumsy character who's basically evil would be what she should have been doing her whole life.
                                            Yeah, thirded here. It's amazing when you're watching and thinking 'you're going to get an Emmy for this...' . This season is super sleepy but really good.

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                                              Not sure if it's been mentioned here but if you like westerns Godless is meandering, violent (sometimes sexually) sometimes confusing but bloody good.

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                                                Starting from the beginning with Speechless. Interesting premise. Daft characterisation though. Minnie Driver is both brilliant and infuriating as an actress.

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                                                  Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
                                                  Elementary is back for a final season on Sky Witness. The characters have decamped to London. Lucy Liu is blonde. Tamsin Greig is in it now. The first episode was about an acid attack which was pretty horrible.
                                                  yikes, though that's not exactly new territory for them, Stuart Townsend coming to mind.

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                                                    Originally posted by Uncle Ethan View Post
                                                    Not sure if it's been mentioned here but if you like westerns Godless is meandering, violent (sometimes sexually) sometimes confusing but bloody good.
                                                    That is really good. A few years old now, but I think its still on Netflix.

                                                    The "old west" era lasted only about 50 years, at most, but Hollywood has been making movies about it for more than 100 years and probably won't stop. I don't know if there's any other historical time and place that has yielded so much fiction.

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